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Old 07-20-2010, 07:39 AM   #1
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Can a Tundra "carry" a 5th wheel?

A question for you 5ers. I pull a TT with my 06 tundra. I'm looking to upgrade to an 2010 tundra double cab with a 5.7l engine and get a larger TT or preferably a 5er. From what I've read it can tow +10,000lbs, but I know nothing about it's load capacity/axle rating. Could you enlighten me or direct me to a link that explains what's possible with the Tundra? I'm partial towards the Tundra - but I've only seen American trucks as TVs so far. Thanks for anything you can share.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:08 AM   #2
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A Tundra, with the correct hitch(to clear the cab in tight turns), will tow an Ultra-Lite 5er. The Tundra has the highest towing capacity of the half tons.

There's a member here(fivecodys) towing a Flagstaff 5er with a Tundra.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:42 AM   #3
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A good rule of thumb is to actually tow a camper that is 25% less weight than your TV is rated to pull. That gives you "wiggle room" for the extra weight that's not included with the new camper's stated weight; things like water in the holding tanks, clothing, dishes, food..... you know the stuff. Good luck with your decision! Randy
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It not as as much what it is rated to tow as you need to worry more about the payload and GCWR with 1/2 tons as the trailer tow rating and max payload usually don't even come close to being the same .

Case in example from the changing gears site.

Doublecab 4x2 long box has a payload capacity of 1645lbs with a tow rating of 10,400lbs and in that weight you have to include fuel and passengers and anything else you have in the truck. Given a 5er generally has 12 - 15% of the trailer weight on the pin well you know not a real big trailer will be hauled with that particular truck. IMO 1/2 manufacturers all claim these huge numbers just to get buyers in the show room and don't ever bother telling them the whole story on how to safely caculate what they can haul. MY 3/4 ton dodge is only rated to tow 8350lbs and it has a GVWR of 8800lbs, I weighed it with a full tank 35 gallons and the wife and I in it and it weighed just over 6700lbs so we still had 2100 lbs of payload left but look at the trailer rating and then you have Toyota claiming a 1/2 can pull 10,400 on a truck with a 7000lb gvwr and payload of 1645. Humm

http://www.toyota.com/tundra/specs.html
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It can, if like said above, you can fine one of the lightweight ones that you like. However, it was really not meant for 5th wheel towing. That's what the big boys are for (the 3/4 tons from Ford/Chevy/Dodge). They have the beefed up frame, tranny, brakes, etc. to handle a 5er. If you really want a 5th wheel, do yourself a favor and get the right truck for the job. You won't regret it.
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A question for you 5ers. I pull a TT with my 06 tundra. I'm looking to upgrade to an 2010 tundra double cab with a 5.7l engine and get a larger TT or preferably a 5er. From what I've read it can tow +10,000lbs, but I know nothing about it's load capacity/axle rating. Could you enlighten me or direct me to a link that explains what's possible with the Tundra? I'm partial towards the Tundra - but I've only seen American trucks as TVs so far. Thanks for anything you can share.
No, get a real truck, and not mo par or GM ROTFFLMAO
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Ok, now that you've blown my Tundra idea out of the water, would anyone care to tell me WHY a 5th wheel is better than a trailer - other than it looks cooler (according to my son) and I assume it's easier to handle on the road - or is sway still an issue?

And a second question: at what point - or is there a point - where you must tow with a dually? I can't seem to make any sense of this as I walk thru the campground. I appreciate all your comments.
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Totally

My 2500HD with Duramax and Allison tranny is rated for a 15,200 pound 5th wheel.

BUT

My 9,000 pound 8526RLWS maxes out my rear axle when 20% (middle of safe range for 5th wheels) of the trailer weight becomes pin weight.

This was confirmed at my last CAT check.

I am SO GLAD I did not buy the 12,000 pound fiver I was looking at.
I would have destroyed my truck.
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Ok, now that you've blown my Tundra idea out of the water, would anyone care to tell me WHY a 5th wheel is better than a trailer - other than it looks cooler (according to my son) and I assume it's easier to handle on the road - or is sway still an issue?

And a second question: at what point - or is there a point - where you must tow with a dually? I can't seem to make any sense of this as I walk thru the campground. I appreciate all your comments.
A 5er will have alot less sway issues. Most other differences, outside storage, living area and so forth are more of a personal preference.

As far as TT -vs- 5er, the hitch weight is the main difference. TT's will have between 10-15% of the loaded trailer while 5er's will have 15-25%. So an 8,000 lb loaded TT's hitch weight would fall between 800-1,200 lbs while a 5er would be 1,200-2,000 lbs.

My F-150 had a towing capacity of 8,800 lbs but only had a payload capacity of 1,450 lbs. I could tow the weight but subtract the weight of everything loaded in the truck, including the hitch itself, from the payload capacity and I wouldn't have enough left to carry a 5er.

My F-250 has a payload of 2,750 lbs, so even the 2,000 hitch weight should work even after loading the truck with people, full tank of gas, gear and whatever else I need. If your hitch weight is goes over 2,000 lbs, you may want to look into a 1 ton dually.

Hope this answers some of your questions. There are others on here that have more experience with 5er's than I do and can probably help you better.

Good luck!
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Ok, now that you've blown my Tundra idea out of the water, would anyone care to tell me WHY a 5th wheel is better than a trailer - other than it looks cooler (according to my son) and I assume it's easier to handle on the road - or is sway still an issue?

And a second question: at what point - or is there a point - where you must tow with a dually? I can't seem to make any sense of this as I walk thru the campground. I appreciate all your comments.
If I had it to do over again, I would have gotten the 3500HD Dually with the Duramax and Allison. Most folks change out trailers more often than tow vehicles. Buying the right truck is more important IMO than the right camper. Swapping out the camper is easier than correcting not having enough truck.

Look at the load on the rear axle when you need to upgrade the rear axle to a dually. Its all about pinweight and what is in the bed. My generator and spare fuel is in there. 150 pounds for the generator and about 100 pounds of diesel fuel and spare 20# propane tank, the PullRight hitch is another 150 pounds. 1100 pounds of pinweight for the 8526 and it all adds up fast.

Why a fiver? I like the ROOM inside for the length. TTs are measured from the BALL hitch to the bumper (4-5 feet are wasted in the tongue).

The same length of fiver is ALL living space PLUS 5-6 feet of it is over the truck, so the overall rig length is LESS for a given trailer length.
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