Carlisle or Sailun in a 235/85R16

[Dogpatch]

I have Duro ST2100 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) tires on my 40' Cardinal fifth wheel and just had a blow out.

In Canada, we do not have the vast availability of trailer tires the States can provide. I'm down to two choices.
My 5th Wheel weighs in at about 15,300 lbs.
The Cardinal specs called for a 235/80R16 E load (10 ply) and too light in my opinion.

I'm looking at replacing them with either the Carlisle 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) or the Sailun 235/85R16 G load (14 ply).
The Carlisle's are rated for 3900 lbs and the Sailun's are rated at 4048 lbs.
Both are the same price from my tire dealer.

What's your opinion of these two tires?

What would you do?

[Kenny kustom]

Have you checked out the Samson tires?
They are g rated, I just put a set on my sabre, this spring.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[toslow]

Originally Posted by Dogpatch

I have Duro ST2100 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) tires on my 40' Cardinal fifth wheel and just had a blow out.

In Canada, we do not have the vast availability of trailer tires the States can provide. I'm down to two choices.
My 5th Wheel weighs in at about 15,300 lbs.
The Cardinal specs called for a 235/80R16 E load (10 ply) and too light in my opinion.

I'm looking at replacing them with either the Carlisle 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) or the Sailun 235/85R16 G load (14 ply).
The Carlisle's are rated for 3900 lbs and the Sailun's are rated at 4048 lbs.
Both are the same price from my tire dealer.

What's your opinion of these two tires?



What would you do?

were about are you with your 5ver?

[ependydad]

With your weight, I'd opt for the Sailun. I've yet to read a bad review of them.

[Dogpatch]

Originally Posted by toslow

were about are you with your 5ver?

Central BC. Okanagan.

[Elkhounds]

Given those 2 choices I would get the G rated and drive away happy. I like as much added safety margin as I can get.

Sorry about the blow out. I have not had to deal with that yet but I know one day it will happen.

[dblr]

Originally Posted by ependydad

With your weight, I'd opt for the Sailun. I've yet to read a bad review of them.

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[Airdale]

Originally Posted by Dogpatch

I have Duro ST2100 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) tires on my 40' Cardinal fifth wheel and just had a blow out.

In Canada, we do not have the vast availability of trailer tires the States can provide. I'm down to two choices.
My 5th Wheel weighs in at about 15,300 lbs.
The Cardinal specs called for a 235/80R16 E load (10 ply) and too light in my opinion.

I'm looking at replacing them with either the Carlisle 235/85R16 F load (12 ply) or the Sailun 235/85R16 G load (14 ply).
The Carlisle's are rated for 3900 lbs and the Sailun's are rated at 4048 lbs.
Both are the same price from my tire dealer.

What's your opinion of these two tires?

What would you do?

IMO you may need the 4080# tires. Problem is, they require a minimum rim width of 6.5". Here is a picture of a like sized Westlake tire.

http://www.irv2.com/photopost/showfull.php?photo=29709
http://www.irv2.com/photopost/showfull.php?photo=29711

[phillyg]

FWIW, I've never seen a complaint about Sailun tires.

[hbillsmith]

When looking at the Sailun website, I figured out that the tires we RV'ers want is listed as products on their Commercial tire site. Since FR recommends a 235/80R16 E load (10 ply) tire (not an 85R), Sailun has started making a tire specifically for the RV world, its the Sailun ST235/80R16 G load (14 ply). It's the Sailun S637T Regional All Position tire Mft. order code is 5541960.

The primary requirement for your wheels are WIDTH and High Pressure Support. Your wheels must be 6.5" and support 110psi. My Wildcat came with HiSpec Series 6 wheels and they do support the Sailun.

The Sailun has more plys and is heavier. At 110psi, it will also ride rougher. The carry weight is inline with the existing tire that FR shipped.

I spent a lot of time pouring over the various websites and dealer info to lay down a spec by spec comparison of Maxxis vs. Sailun specific to the 16" wheels on my Wildcat. My current Maxxis have 12,000 tow miles on them and I don't anticipate new tires until the beginning of next season.

The file attached to this message is a simple Excel sheet saved as a PDF for the chart compare.

[Jordyn]

I replaced the Goodyear G614's on my 40' Cedar Creek with the Sailun S637. Both are G rated, 14 ply but the Sailun looks and feels so much beefier and larger. I only have several thousand miles on them so the final verdict is still to come but I am quite happy with the Sailuns and gut feeling is they are going to be a quality tire at less than 1/2 the price of the Goodyears.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by Jordyn

I replaced the Goodyear G614's on my 40' Cedar Creek with the Sailun S637. Both are G rated, 14 ply but the Sailun looks and feels so much beefier and larger. I only have several thousand miles on them so the final verdict is still to come but I am quite happy with the Sailuns and gut feeling is they are going to be a quality tire at less than 1/2 the price of the Goodyears.

Why did you replace them?

[Jordyn]

Had an axle out of alignment. Wore the edges off. Local alignment shop cut axle mount from frame and welded an adjustable mount on for future alignment if needed.

[hbillsmith]

In this thread a few days ago I posted a spreadsheet that collects all I can find regarding these 2 tire brands. In particular, I sought to determine if I could replace the Maxxis 8008's on my 2016 Wildcat 295RSX with Sailun's of the exact same size. Since Sailun's are rated "G", I hoped to be able to up my safety when I need to tow at 75mph (as in passing etc.).

Short answer is no. The Wildcat Maxxis option was shipped with HiSpec Series 9 Aluminum 6-lug wheels and in a call today, HiSpec confirms that their wheel is only rated 80psi, not the 110psi required by Sailun to achieve 'G' loads (the HiSpec 8-lug in a 16" is however rated for 110psi). Anyway, here's version 2 of the tables I published earlier (an actual Sailun S637 label was scanned and is included also).

PS. The Maxxis have been perfect and I will be staying with Maxxis

[esmoglo]

How do you verify if your wheels can handle 110PSI? I had a blow out on my Prime Time Crusader 5th wheel that was purchased new in May of 2016. Tires had less than 3500 miles on them very disappointing. My Tire size is 235/80R 16's 5er weighs 9000LBS empty was looking at the Sailun S637 235/80R-16 but it requires 110PSI VS the 70 PSI Power King tires installed on my RV now. I understand the different load ranges of the tries as the Sailun may be way more than I need but there are limited options in this tire size for trailers.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by esmoglo

How do you verify if your wheels can handle 110PSI? I had a blow out on my Prime Time Crusader 5th wheel that was purchased new in May of 2016. Tires had less than 3500 miles on them very disappointing. My Tire size is 235/80R 16's 5er weighs 9000LBS empty was looking at the Sailun S637 235/80R-16 but it requires 110PSI VS the 70 PSI Power King tires installed on my RV now. I understand the different load ranges of the tries as the Sailun may be way more than I need but there are limited options in this tire size for trailers.

I have put Carlisle on my last TT and 2 5ers. That same size on the last 2 5ers.

During a visit to China in April 2015, Van Ormer saw many new lines of ST products, but says he is aware of only one manufacturer that has “truly changed” the technology of the ST tires. That manufacturer is Carlstar Group LLC, formerly CTP Transportation Products and before that, Carlisle Transportation Products. “With the RH (radial) and LH (bias) trailer tires, they beefed up the bead and sidewall packages so that few others can compete quality-wise with them,” Van Ormer says.

http://www.moderntiredealer.com/article/312514/st-tires-all-steel-radial-construction-is-meeting-the-demand-for-more-carrying-capacity

[esmoglo]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

I have put Carlisle on my last TT and 2 5ers. That same size on the last 2 5ers.

During a visit to China in April 2015, Van Ormer saw many new lines of ST products, but says he is aware of only one manufacturer that has “truly changed” the technology of the ST tires. That manufacturer is Carlstar Group LLC, formerly CTP Transportation Products and before that, Carlisle Transportation Products. “With the RH (radial) and LH (bias) trailer tires, they beefed up the bead and sidewall packages so that few others can compete quality-wise with them,” Van Ormer says.

http://www.moderntiredealer.com/article/312514/st-tires-all-steel-radial-construction-is-meeting-the-demand-for-more-carrying-capacity

How many miles have you gotten out of them? Prices are all over the map on the Carlisle tires Pepboys wants $149 but online I found them for $71 each same part number wonder why?

[hbillsmith]

Originally Posted by esmoglo

How do you verify if your wheels can handle 110PSI? I had a blow out on my Prime Time Crusader 5th wheel that was purchased new in May of 2016. Tires had less than 3500 miles on them very disappointing. My Tire size is 235/80R 16's 5er weighs 9000LBS empty was looking at the Sailun S637 235/80R-16 but it requires 110PSI VS the 70 PSI Power King tires installed on my RV now. I understand the different load ranges of the tries as the Sailun may be way more than I need but there are limited options in this tire size for trailers.

1) look for the rating stamped into the wheel. Sometimes you have to remove a tire to see it. Sometimes you can see stamped on the back side of the wheel hub. Sometimes it's listed as weight capacity and a number greater than 4000 can indicate higher psi.

2) call the wheel mfg.

3) 8 lugs with metal stems are often a sign of 110psi capable wheels.

4) I you can always replace both wheels and tires but you are still restricted to same lug setup. I've seen users in this thread that went that route.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by esmoglo

How many miles have you gotten out of them? Prices are all over the map on the Carlisle tires Pepboys wants $149 but online I found them for $71 each same part number wonder why?

I don't have any idea how many miles on the TT. Had 18,000 on the F250 and a little over 7500 on the F350. I paid $97 each mount/balanced/installed for 5 at LA South Auto & Tire in Ocean Isle Beach NC. That was before what he gave for the Trailer Kings. These are the 235/80/R16 LRE RH. Four were 3 months and one was 4 months since manufacture. Part numbers?? would think there is a difference between the RH and newer HD designations. The HD are supposed to be improved.

[donniedu]

Why not get off the exercise wheel and upgrade to 17.5 inch tire and wheels? They will give you about 4000 pounds load rating and much easier to find.