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Old 03-27-2014, 11:29 AM   #31
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The $10K+ hit I was referring to was replacement of the HPFP should it fail. And it very likely will at some point. There is no way to know when it is going to go, but when it does, get out your check book.
I know u may have had issues with yours but to think taht every hpfp on every ford will fail is silly.....I mean bosch uses the same pumps on others as well....if in fact every high dollar pump was destin to fail at some point then this motor would be worse off than the 6.0...I am not saying that there have not been isolated major issues....and the poor lubricity of us diesels are known and affect all diesels...to my knowledge hpfp issues account for less than 1/4 of 1 % of all service calls with this new motor... (per a ford executive, but hey they lie too I guess)....that were not USER derived (like def in diesel, or very old poor diesel with water)

If one is that worried about the hpfp, simply run a bio blend ( even 5% would increase lubricity enough, or add some cetane boost/diesel kleen)..

In the end some pumps will fail...happens on chevys too...and even bmw and vw had some major issues at one point...

I realize this motor is only a few years old but severe issues like the 6.0 had would be well documented by now...many of the first run trucks have been on the road 4+ years now....its not THAT new of a motor anymore and I dont hear of many if any around here slapping in new hpfp, including the bajillion trucks used in the oil fields...?...of course mine may fail tomorrow?.then I will prob see it different...til then. ..

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Old 03-27-2014, 01:02 PM   #32
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While a fuel pump for a diesel engine will cost a few thousand it will not cost 10,000. A buddy of mine had his replacement a 10 year old truck and it cost 3500. But just like on a gas engine keep the fuel filter clean and your pump will last a lot longer

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I bought a replacement CP3 pump that flows 42% more than stock for $900.00 and I installed it in about 8 hrs, a reman pump can be had for 700 give or take, the dealer has a 10 hr install time, far cry from 10k
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:37 PM   #33
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While a fuel pump for a diesel engine will cost a few thousand it will not cost 10,000. A buddy of mine had his replacement a 10 year old truck and it cost 3500. But just like on a gas engine keep the fuel filter clean and your pump will last a lot longer

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That's all fine and dandy- except you won't be buying just a fuel pump. You'll be replacing your entire fuel system (rails, lines, filters, pump, injectors, etc.) because of the aluminum shrapnel that will be throughout it. Anything that isn't replaced has to be thoroughly cleaned.
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:39 PM   #34
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I bought a replacement CP3 pump that flows 42% more than stock for $900.00 and I installed it in about 8 hrs, a reman pump can be had for 700 give or take, the dealer has a 10 hr install time, far cry from 10k
Fords 6.7 and the newer Duramax use a Bosch CP4.2. Dodge uses the CP3. See previous post for why this line of thinking doesn't really cover it.
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:14 PM   #35
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I know u may have had issues with yours but to think taht every hpfp on every ford will fail is silly.....I mean bosch uses the same pumps on others as well....if in fact every high dollar pump was destin to fail at some point then this motor would be worse off than the 6.0...I am not saying that there have not been isolated major issues....and the poor lubricity of us diesels are known and affect all diesels...to my knowledge hpfp issues account for less than 1/4 of 1 % of all service calls with this new motor... (per a ford executive, but hey they lie too I guess)....that were not USER derived (like def in diesel, or very old poor diesel with water)

If one is that worried about the hpfp, simply run a bio blend ( even 5% would increase lubricity enough, or add some cetane boost/diesel kleen)..

In the end some pumps will fail...happens on chevys too...and even bmw and vw had some major issues at one point...

I realize this motor is only a few years old but severe issues like the 6.0 had would be well documented by now...many of the first run trucks have been on the road 4+ years now....its not THAT new of a motor anymore and I dont hear of many if any around here slapping in new hpfp, including the bajillion trucks used in the oil fields...?...of course mine may fail tomorrow?.then I will prob see it different...til then. ..

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I do think that if you can buy new and use an additive AT ALL TIMES you could probably completely avoid the issue with the HPFP. It is an issue with the fuel viscosity as you state. Why Ford and GM chose to use a fuel pump that specifically states it requires a lower scar rating than the fuel is required to be in the US is curious. Supposedly Canada uses a more viscous diesel. If you'll search for the NHTSA report from Ford, it lays it all out and shows a table with the numbers. I didn't personally experience any HPFP issues, but I was scared away. My truck had 60K when purchased and I had no way of knowing if any additives were used. Hopefully you and everyone else don't experience problems. I weighed my options and made my choice. I'm not trying to say anyone made the wrong choice by going with a 6.7, but the possibility of an issue is there and it is expensive should it happen to you.
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That's all fine and dandy- except you won't be buying just a fuel pump. You'll be replacing your entire fuel system (rails, lines, filters, pump, injectors, etc.) because of the aluminum shrapnel that will be throughout it. Anything that isn't replaced has to be thoroughly cleaned.
Wow. the world is suppose end soon to so I guess us diesel owners will not have to worry about this.

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if you buy a diesel, buy your fuel from fuel stops that have a high turnover of fuel. that way you are assured of getting fresh fuel. carry a spare fuel filter and a filter wrench for "just in case". also some disposable gloves for those "just in case" moments.

also, even more important, maintenance is key. get religious with your oil changes and fuel filter changes. full synthetic oil is what i use. i have no proof that synthetic oils made it start easier, but it started easily in this past winters bitter cold temps after sitting out all night.
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Agreed.. I only buy from truck stops with some volume.. Never use gas station diesel .. Got 270k on the other diesel without an issue.. Cummings told me not to use synthetic .. Wonder why?
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if you buy a diesel, buy your fuel from fuel stops that have a high turnover of fuel. That way you are assured of getting fresh fuel. Carry a spare fuel filter and a filter wrench for "just in case". Also some disposable gloves for those "just in case" moments.

Also, even more important, maintenance is key. Get religious with your oil changes and fuel filter changes. Full synthetic oil is what i use. I have no proof that synthetic oils made it start easier, but it started easily in this past winters bitter cold temps after sitting out all night.

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