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Old 02-06-2015, 09:59 AM   #101
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My opinion of "1/2 tons" as tow vehicles is changing as the specs on the new units come out.

Properly equipped, some of those units are beasts and have higher GVWRs than most "3/4 ton" vehicles just a few years ago.

My daughter was looking a an F350 heavy duty work truck with utility body just 10 years old that had a GVWR LESS than my 2008 GMC 2500 and WAY less than the new "3/4 ton" units.
Some day they will play by the same rules to get their specs, hopefully.
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:01 AM   #102
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You have to admit that's a pretty extreme viewpoint, though. A 1/2 ton truck is good for a pop up only???? If someone actually told me that and believed it, I'd have to laugh out loud.
The viewpoints make you consider what is right for you. The 1/2 ton varies from 4,000 to 11,000 lbs in tow ratings. So research the truck you have or want to determinate what it is rated for towing. I have seen 3/4 tons rated less than some 1/2 tons. Just do your homework!!
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I actually went and read what the site had to say. I suppose if you know nothing about towing- which would likely be the case- you could get some good information there. I still say the 20% number is bunk. They talk about "Magic towing dust" and then pull a 20% number from thin air. I also take issue with using GVWR as the assumed loaded weight. Travel trailers have CCC from 500 pound range to as much as 3K+. I could have a 6500lb camper with a GVWR of 10,000 and another 6500lb camper with a GVWR of 7500. Why would I assume a weight of 10K on one and 7.5K on the other? That's very poor advice, IMHO. If I used their logic, I'd need a truck rated to haul 12.5K for the first with a 20% "cushion" but one only rated for 9375 on the second, even though I'd actually be towing the same amount. This would take you from a well equipped half ton to a 3/4 ton, sacrificing ride quality and unloaded fuel economy. In addition, neither that site nor any other I've seen take into account the myraid of other variables that must be considered to REALLY tow safely.
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:08 AM   #104
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The viewpoints make you consider what is right for you. The 1/2 ton varies from 4,000 to 11,000 lbs in tow ratings. So research the truck you have or want to determinate what it is rated for towing. I have seen 3/4 tons rated less than some 1/2 tons. Just do your homework!!
True. That's why I'm wondering why they would throw out a blanket statement like they did about 1/2 tons... Would lead someone ignorant of these facts you point out to possibly not even consider a 1/2 ton when it would work fine for their needs if properly equipped.
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:11 AM   #105
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Some day they will play by the same rules to get their specs, hopefully.
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This will still only tell part of the story. If they all follow the same procedures, it will allow us to accurately compare. BUT, it won't tell me what I REALLY NEED to tow with. For example, they plan to use the Davis(?) Dam to test ability of the engine to move the load. If I'm going to pull my camper on flat ground to the lake a few times a year, do I really care about having enough power to drag my camper up a steep incline? In other words, that test may indicate I NEED a much more powerful engine for my given load than I really do based upon terrain differences.
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:12 AM   #106
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My opinion of "1/2 tons" as tow vehicles is changing as the specs on the new units come out.

Properly equipped, some of those units are beasts and have higher GVWRs than most "3/4 ton" vehicles just a few years ago.

My daughter was looking a an F350 heavy duty work truck with utility body just 10 years old that had a GVWR LESS than my 2008 GMC 2500 and WAY less than the new "3/4 ton" units.
Yes. And readers shouldn't overlook your words "properly equipped". But absolutely times are changing. Payloads have legitimately increased and some of the newer engines are incredibly torquey.
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Yesterday I passed an accident on I 40 in which I saw a TV upside down in the middle of the road and a TT spread ALL over the road in pieces. I thought " was it overload for conditions" or what happened? This sure did destroy someones vacation.
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Yesterday I passed an accident on I 40 in which I saw a TV upside down in the middle of the road and a TT spread ALL over the road in pieces. I thought " was it overload for conditions" or what happened? This sure did destroy someones vacation.
I would love to know also. Could you not tell what type of TV? Overloaded would have been the last thing I would have thought. My first thought would have been "distracted driver". Unless of course it looked like it was a Ford Ranger pulling a 36 footer.
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It may not have even been the Tv driver, we have had two cases this week were a car has lost control and hit a Semi and caused it to go into the ditch. In one case the car driver was drunk and the poor semi drive lost his life.
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I just googled and browsed through travel trailer wrecks hoping to find something about the one you mention- with no luck. Seems to be a disproportionate amount of SUV's having wrecks while towing. My initial reaction is lack of experience towing and possible soft coil suspension leading to loss of control from sway. Most of them had smaller trailers which wouldn't indicate being overloaded- at least not seriously if they were. As far as trucks, I find a proportional number of 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks in accidents. Many of them mention being sway induced. One of a 1/2 ton appears to not even have a WDH or sway control installed, though it is hard to tell from the picture. I can't really find any wrecks that are attributed to being overloaded, nor can I find any that appear to be caused from being overloaded. I'm sure there are some out there, but it doesn't appear to be a significant cause of wrecks. Looks like a good hitch setup properly would have been the answer on most of them I can find.
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