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Old 01-27-2015, 02:27 PM   #11
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If your area is like ours too few State Troopers & a hiring freeze. Think our county has two troopers period..... covering 24 / 7 . More County Sheriff's but they keep busy with crime & very little time for traffic issues.

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Old 01-27-2015, 02:37 PM   #12
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I would venture to say that the vast majority of rigs out there are "overweight". The error would be in correlating adhering to a sticker on a door jamb to being "safe". If I gave you the choice of riding in a rig with a TV 10% overweight and an intelligent experienced driver versus a newbie that's never pulled anything in his/her life with a rig 10% under, who would you choose? Or what about someone 20% under but driving 75? Safety while towing is a huge matrix in my mind in which weight is only one consideration. I consider hitch type, hitch setup, load balance, travel speed, following distance, road conditions, driving experience and condition, TV conditionÖ..as equally or more important than going strictly by a sticker on the door jamb.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:44 PM   #13
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I can't understand why dot or the state troopers don't pull more of the idiots over and ticket them, being in logging country here we see WAYS too many half ton trucks over loaded with wood,gravel,bark dust,and even a yarder engine
( the monster Diesel engine powered hoist that swings from the cables used to pull logs off hills)
Maybe because a manufacturer applied sticker on a door jamb would be hard to actually enforce???? Do you really want law enforcement to be able to ticket you for not following what that sticker says??? What if you don't install the same size tire as that sticker states? What if you run a different air pressure than it states? I think this is a case where you need to "be careful what you wish for."
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:52 PM   #14
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Maybe because a manufacturer applied sticker on a door jamb would be hard to actually enforce???? Do you really want law enforcement to be able to ticket you for not following what that sticker says??? What if you don't install the same size tire as that sticker states? What if you run a different air pressure than it states? I think this is a case where you need to "be careful what you wish for."
If you came to my county and looked at all the unsafe rigs you would know why I feel the way I do ,as a forcefully retired garbage truck driver of 17 years I never worry about my driving just the person that could cause an accident coming at me. We also have a high duii rate go figure.
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:03 PM   #15
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Would you want this guy to be allowed to keep towing or be told to park till he solves the obvious problem.
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I'm just saying what judge or jury in there right mind wouldn't stand behind an officer writing this guy a warning or ticket.
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:17 PM   #16
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If you came to my county and looked at all the unsafe rigs you would know why I feel the way I do ,as a forcefully retired garbage truck driver of 17 years I never worry about my driving just the person that could cause an accident coming at me. We also have a high duii rate go figure.
You are infinitely more likely to be hit by a distracted driver or a drunk driver than you are an overloaded camper. If you do get hit by an overloaded camper, it most likely happened because they were drunk or distracted and not because they were overloaded. Just my .02.
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You are infinitely more likely to be hit by a distracted driver or a drunk driver than you are an overloaded camper. If you do get hit by an overloaded camper, it most likely happened because they were drunk or distracted and not because they were overloaded. Just my .02.
Too true there ,also we have seen a few TT single vehicle accidents that were not in the paper as drunk related but due to inability to slow in corners aka driver error. And these thing literaly explode when hitting the ground on there side at speed. Took a front loader and a lowboy to clean one up, looked to be 30ft+ hard to tell in shambles and a 3/4 ton short bed truck
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Would you want this guy to be allowed to keep towing or be told to park till he solves the obvious problem.
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I'm just saying what judge or jury in there right mind wouldn't stand behind an officer writing this guy a warning or ticket.
The question is, how do you force someone to abide by a sticker on a door jamb? The manufacturers don't even disclose how they arrive at their numbers!!! I don't know about you, but I don't want the government writing tickets for exceeding an arbitrary measurement glued to the door of my truck. Once again, a VERY strong argument can be made that installing oversize/aggressive tires greatly diminishes the handling capabilities of a vehicle. It also deviates from what is on the sticker. Do you think people should be ticketed for installing oversize tires??? Clearly I don't think people should be grossly overloaded such as this. Don't most states have a broad law about operating an unsafe vehicle or something along those lines that would apply to blatantly unsafe rigs?
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The manufacturers don't even disclose how they arrive at their numbers!!!
I literally have no problem with your posts except for this part- there are lots of "lawyer" stickers are out there that you have no idea how they determine the ratings. I'd even bet there are regulations to some things that are based on proprietary information that isn't disclosed to the public. I know that with some of the EPA work that I do, we have areas where info is labeled "Confidential Business Information" (e.g. CBI). It goes into a firm's certifications but isn't publicly disclosed.

Anyway, carry on.. I have no dog in this fight.
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I literally have no problem with your posts except for this part- there are lots of "lawyer" stickers are out there that you have no idea how they determine the ratings. I'd even bet there are regulations to some things that are based on proprietary information that isn't disclosed to the public. I know that with some of the EPA work that I do, we have areas where info is labeled "Confidential Business Information" (e.g. CBI). It goes into a firm's certifications but isn't publicly disclosed.

Anyway, carry on.. I have no dog in this fight.
Very true. But I'm talking about a criminal case, not a civil one. Anyone with enough money to file the court documents can sue anyone for anything at anytime.
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