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Old 11-07-2009, 06:58 PM   #11
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The point that I was trying to make was that changing from a 1500 with a 5.7L to a 2500 with a 5.7L is a marginal improvement at best, if you're already within the 1500's tow ratings. Granted the 2500 has more payload capacity and bigger brakes (it better as it weighs about a 1000lbs more).

Windrider, both use the same 5 speed auto trans, a 545RFE. Also in your example of the brake controller failing, its not going to matter what you're pulling it with...you're in big trouble.

What I'm saying, if you feel you need a 3/4 ton tow vehicle, you got to get the more powerful engine too as in a diesel or V10. Then you're making dramatic changes to the towing capacity and pulling power.
All I can say is that my Dodge Ram 2500 with the 545RFE trans and 5.7L engine has all the power I need and is very capable of towing my 7500 pound trailer.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:43 AM   #12
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I have a 2008 Chevy HEAVY DUTY 1/2 ton, in 2007 it called the 1500 HD and for 2008 it is called the VORTEC MAX. I was talked out of a $50,000 2500 HD by the dealer. I told him what I was towing and he said why buy more truck then what you need. In reading all the threads that have been posted about this topic there are some things that were not mention that makes a difference. The box size for one. In front of me I have a book for Chevy spec's on box sizes, drive train and engines for 2008 models. From what I see there is a fine line between the HEAVY DUTY 1500 and the 2500 HD gas models, but you can up grade the 2500 HD models.
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This is the HEAVY DUTY 1/2 ton and this is what I have:
Vortec Max 6.0L V8.
(1500 4x4 Extended Cab- MAX TRAILING PACK) (6.5 BOX )MAXT RAILER @ 10,500lbs (REQUIRED AXLE RATIO 4.10)
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Here is the same truck but in the 2500 HD model:
Voctec Max 6.0L V8.
(2500 HD Extended Cab 4x4) (The trailering package is standard on 3/4 tons)
(With a 6.5 foot box and a 3.73 rear MAX TRAILER @ 9,900lbs)-(With an 8.0 foot box and a 3.73 rear MAX TRAILER @ 9,700 lbs)---Now if you change the rear and the box size the mumbers change.
( 6.5 foot box and a 4.10 rear MAX TRAILER @12,400 lbs) (8.0 box and a 4.10 rear MAX TRAILER @12,200 lbs)
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With a max of 10,500 rating on my Heavy Duty 1/2 ton and a Max weight on my camper @ 7,910 lbs I feel good about the job my truck is doing. When it is time to up grade my camper then I may up grade the truck but for now with the prices of trucks to buy a $50,000 3/4 ton to do what the Heavy Duty 1/2 ton can do in my mine is a little crazy for me, but if you have it then spend it, it's good for the economy. Remember the wheel base makes plays a big part of this as well. My wheel base is 143" just one 1" short of the 3/4 ton model of the same cab and box size, the stardard 1/2 ton wheel base is just a little shorter. The HEAVY DUTY 1/2 ton has it's oun frame , it is nothing liks the standard 1/2 ton or the 3/4 ton.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:44 AM   #13
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I thought the max was kind of a takeoff from the ss? A guy at work has one but I never paid much attention to it. I didnt think it was anything like the 1500hd. Does it have 8 lugs?
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:28 AM   #14
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Hate to disagree with Dave Monica, but 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton do not have the same drive train. Go to the parts counter and ask for a transmission, or a rear differential, or better yet a set of springs. Also Mac1roc, you may tow it just fine, in flat Florida, with no side wind. The real deal with a 1/2 ton is Gross Combined weight of the truck and trailer, which Mac1roc is probably over. He told us the trailer weight, but not the truck weight, ready to go with wife and dogs and children, etc. Add that to the trailer weight, and check against gross combined. Even if under, there may not be enough margin for one more adult. Now add to that the the safety factor if something goes wrong, like your brake controller blows a fuse and you loose trailer brakes. You'll wish you had those bigger brakes on the 3/4 ton. It's not that a 1/2 ton won't do it when all is well, it's the extra margin that a 3/4 ton offers. This was written by a guy towing 7000 pounds with a half ton, in the mountains of North Carolina, where Mt. Mitchell (6,864 ft) is the highest peak east of the Rockie Mountains, and I have pulled my trailer up it.
And what if 4 tires blow on your dually? What if you loose tow vehicles brakes? What if some a ---- cuts you off the road it won't matter what you are using to tow with.
Being a little sarcastic here.............
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:46 PM   #15
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I thought the max was kind of a takeoff from the ss? A guy at work has one but I never paid much attention to it. I didnt think it was anything like the 1500hd. Does it have 8 lugs?
No, it has 6 lugs this is the way GM design it. With it being heavy duty one would think it would have 10 ply tires on it like the 2500 hd but it is not needed. This is the first time this Summer I have towed with it and it has done a great job, But next Summer I am going to put 10 ply on it. I have noticed a slight sway with the factory tires.
The ss you are taking about maybe that of the Z71 off road model and from what I understand the Z71 is a 1/2 ton.
The other thing is that the heavy duty 1/2 ton comes with a class 3 receiver and on the 2500 hd that has a class 4 receiver.I wanted to replace my class 3 with a class 4 but no one makes it for the heavy duty 1/2, not even GM.
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The 1500hd was in all reguards a heavy 3/4 ton. The max is a half ton with the big motor and stiffer spring rates from what I understand. I think calling it heavy duty might be a bit of an overstatement. WHat rear axle and trans is in it?
Everyone has been stating that the engines are the same and that is not entirely true either. The engines in the hd trucks usually run a different cam and a few other things. Call the dealer and order a engine for a 8600gvwr truck compared to a 7600 and there is a difference.
My wife drives a yukon denali and I dont go aroung touting it as being heavy duty because it has the6.0 or able to move the world because it has air ride. Will tow? Yes But I do pull the tt with my 3/4 ton instead of the yukon.
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Let's face it, the discussion between 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton will never be put to rest, no more than the discussion on which motor oil is best.
Enough said.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:13 PM   #18
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I always felt my 1/2 ton pulled my tt, loaded approx 7,200/7,500 lbs, with plenty of power. I was under my max on all the numbers but close on payload capacity. The truck towed very good until I had to drive in rain and gusty winds. At times that could be a little scary.

I recently purchased a new to me '08 F-250. I towed the tt this weekend for the first time. Man what a difference. I could feel I was pulling the weight but other than that the truck drove and handled the same as it does without the tt. I didn't drive in rain but the wind was gusting up to 25 to 30 mph.

As rockwood06 mentioned, the longer wheel base has a lot to do with it, but I believe the heavier suspension and the "E" rated tires had as much or more impact.

Dave, as far as the 5.4 in both the F-150 and F-250, I didn't experience much difference. The F-250 doesn't have as much get up and go but I didn't expect it to. The heavier F-250 did pull the tt up the same small Eastern Oklahoma hills just as well as the lighter F-150 did. The truck just did it at slightly higher rpms since it has the tow/haul mode where the F-150 didn't. If I lived in the Smokies or the Rockies I probably would rather have the V10 or a diesel. But I upgraded to the F-250 because I needed better handling capabillties, not more power. I did improve my towing capacity by 1,700 lbs. and my payload by 1,800 lbs.

There is a world of difference in the brakes as well. Especially when towing. The truck has the in-dash brake contoller and braking is very smooth.

I towed for a lot of years using a 1/2 ton. My F-150 always did the job and even though I didn't feel it towed safely in rain and high winds, I always made it home in one piece.

The heavy duty 1/2 tons may do the job and maybe my 3/4 ton is over kill, but after towing with the F-250 I don't believe I'll ever go back to towing with a 1/2 ton.
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The 1500hd was in all reguards a heavy 3/4 ton. The max is a half ton with the big motor and stiffer spring rates from what I understand. I think calling it heavy duty might be a bit of an overstatement. WHat rear axle and trans is in it?
Everyone has been stating that the engines are the same and that is not entirely true either. The engines in the hd trucks usually run a different cam and a few other things. Call the dealer and order a engine for a 8600gvwr truck compared to a 7600 and there is a difference.
My wife drives a yukon denali and I dont go around touting it as being heavy duty because it has the6.0 or able to move the world because it has air ride. Will tow? Yes But I do pull the tt with my 3/4 ton instead of the yukon.

Check post #12, I posted the spec's between my heavy duty 1/2 ton and it is equipped as stated with a 4 speed heavy duty trans and then the spec's on a comparable 2500hd with the same engine, two different rears and box sizes selections. You will find that the heavy duty 1/2 ton falls between the two box sizes on the 2500hd for tow capacity.
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Let's face it, the discussion between 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton will never be put to rest, no more than the discussion on which motor oil is best.
Enough said.
Yup, and if you want to hash it out go to a different RV forum. I can think of a few where folks like to argue all the blasted time.

I'm tired of reading this "mine is better than yours" crap.

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