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Old 12-26-2011, 11:43 AM   #21
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What kind of pin box did you get? 5th Airborne? How is the ride after you got it?
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:48 AM   #22
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Pin Box

I got the Mor Ryde pin box. It really smoothed out the ride. The stuff inside the trailers stays in place more.

Where I live some of the freeways are really bad. I think all fifth wheel trailers should have a shock absorbing pin box.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:18 AM   #23
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i wonder if adding one before a frame fails would help or from the looks of it might only be a bandaid. nice work btw and I know that took some time!! lippert should've fixed that or paid for it atleast!
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:42 AM   #24
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If your truck and trailer are fighting against each other, I would definately get a cushioned pin box.

If you have one of these suspect frames I would get a 3 inch hole saw and cut two holes under the bed on either side of the pin box mounts and look for this after every trip.

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Old 02-14-2013, 02:00 PM   #25
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i have an 2011 wolfpack 295 toyhauler. is there certain years that were worse than others or just 05 to 08 models?
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:54 PM   #26
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I vaguely remember talking to someone from Lippert and they said something to the effect of, they don't build them that way any more. My guess is that by 2011 the problem was corrected. It is probably a touchy subject with Forest River and Lippert. You could ask them.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:25 PM   #27
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thanks and i did send both an e-mail and just got 1 back from forest river but not lippert yet. just want to know if i bought an accident waiting to happen or not.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:27 PM   #28
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thanks and i did send both an e-mail and just got 1 back from forest river but not lippert yet. just want to know if i bought an accident waiting to happen or not.
I have asked for a structural guy to stop by my camper while I am at the Goshen Rally. I would really like to not worry about this.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:51 PM   #29
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herk7769 let us know what he says. i did just go look at my 2011 295 wp and i cans see quite a bit. it appears to be a rectangle tube rather than an i beam style even though the pics I have seen weren't really i beams but rather manufactured i beams. I haul a 1200 lb sand rail and 500lbs worth of tools and gear in mine when we use it crossing 2 states basically so I would rather not worry about mine as well but i do believe i will install a couple inspection plates check on it.

these kinds of posts by others are very very much apprectiated btw for with out them the many would never know and many could get hurt!
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:56 PM   #30
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I am sure it is fine and plan on about 3000 miles of travel before I get to Goshen.
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Old 11-13-2016, 10:45 PM   #31
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Coachman/Forest River Frames are a joke

We had a 2014 32BHDS the frame cracked on both sides between the wheels so bad the bunkhouse was sagging at least 8 inches in the back and twisted so that the frame was rubbing against the rear tire to the point that we had to have the unit towed on a flatbed trailer because it kept blowing tires. Per FR and Lippert it was our fault! Even though we had proof of weight before we left on the road trip and tongue weight when it was parked at the dealership after being towed. The unit was totaled out by our insurer the repairs would have been over $35K. To this day neither FR or Lippert has taken any responsibility for the bad steel used in the frame or the sloppy welds on the mounting of any of the mechanics. I will never buy another product from this company and I will take every opportunity to make sure that anyone that asks my opinion hears my story.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:41 AM   #32
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I will take every opportunity to make sure that anyone that asks my opinion hears my story.
Sorry about your bad experience. Sometimes we forget that these campers are designed to their max GVWR and at that weight they are rated only for "normal" operation.

Additions to the "as delivered" camper can cause a situation well beyond those the designers planned for in order to keep weight down and remain competitive for your dollars.

For example, adding a generator rack or bike rack can add length to the frame moment arm resulting in excessive flexing of the frame in the area where your failure occurred.

Frame failures can also result from either one or two serious overload condition(s), or many "slightly" overloaded conditions.

Like bending a paperclip, frame flex will accumulate over time until failure. Like a paperclip, a large angle bend repeated will fail sooner than a lot of small angle bends repeated; but the end result is still the same. It will break.

Without more data on your specific usage, it is impossible to determine what set of circumstances lead to your failure. Even if you did everything right, a situation like that which occurred to me would still be "my fault". I hit a rail crossing that was hidden as I came over a rise "at speed". The truck handled it just fine, but my trailer's rear torsion axle exceeded its instantaneous maximum load rating and failed in compression. I changed both axles (for safety) and had the frame inspected (which thankfully survived without damage).

Unless your frame failed at a Lippert created weld, I doubt any frame manufacturer would take responsibility for your unfortunate circumstance.

This is an old thread, and you are welcome to revive it to relate your story. In keeping with our site rules, however, please do not "take every opportunity" to tell it again, as you said. Attempting to litigating disputes or harping on a beef in the forum would be a posting violation.

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Old 11-14-2016, 09:24 AM   #33
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I have asked for a structural guy to stop by my camper while I am at the Goshen Rally. I would really like to not worry about this.
So glad you checked in. How about an update?
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So glad you checked in. How about an update?
That was some time ago as you can tell. During the 2013 International Rally, they inspected my pin box mounting welds and the surrounding structure and everything was sound. He told me how to check to help with my fears in the future.

With the camper unhitched, measure from the trim molding to the top of the pin box. Then hook up the camper. Measure again. If the difference is more than 1/2 inch it should be inspected again.

So far it has not flexed more than 1/4 inch under full camping load.
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Thanks Herk. It sounds like they're allowing up to 1/2" deflection until there's a concern on that unit.
When mine failed it definitely had considerably more.
Good to know.
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Lots of miles on it since and so far solid as a rock.
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