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Old 11-15-2018, 04:11 PM   #1
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Towing heavy 5th wheel with SRW

Hello all,
I'm considering upgrading our fifth wheel to something similar to a Cedar Creek 37RTH.


Pin weight is of most concern, but a dually isn't particularly of interest to me on several levels, so I was hoping to get some feedback from friends here who are happily towing similarly heavy fifth wheels with SRW (single rear wheel) trucks, and if so, what would be useful advise in doing so.


Thanks in advance
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:29 PM   #2
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You want to tow a triple-axle 5er toy hauler that has an 18,000LB GVWR and ~3,200LB pin weight with a 3/4-ton SRW?

You'll be way over GCWR and more than likely way over GVWR and RAWR for that truck.

Simple answer: No.

If you had a 3500 (1-ton) SRW then MAYBE but still likely no. 2500? Absolutely not.
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:02 PM   #3
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I loved this set-up and it was awesome. I did have air bags.

Bought my F450 just because I liked the look of the new ones. But we put several thousand miles on that 2015 F350 SRW with the Vengeance.

Rear axle weight was right at the 7000 lb. which is what the truck is rated for. Gross total weight? Yep, I was over.
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:15 PM   #4
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Well the 2018 Ford towing guide does not even show 4.10 gears for a 6.2 L gas. So if I take the 2/3 of the difference between the 4.30 gears 3.73 gears you could figure about 13,900 pounds of 5th wheel towing capacity.
By the way you would definitely want to change and upgrade your hitch, with your 16K hitch you would be WAY over the hitch limits if you did upgrade.
No SWR truck is going to be rated high enough to safely tow a 18,000 pound 5th wheel. You will have to go to a dual wheel truck if you are going to carry that type of weight safely. Engineers put max number on truck and tow equipment for good reasons.
Could you pull around the block with no problem Yes, but if you put this massive overload on the road you are just asking for problems.
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I hate to be blunt, but NO WAY sorry. The 1st time you have to hit the brakes hard or descent even a 5% grade when it's wet .....

Go to a reputable website like B&W and plug in your numbers. I guess you are already over at least your GCVWR.
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Thanks all for the replies.


KFX450RXC - interesting setup, and somewhat what I was envisioning. Thanks for the input.


clr - thanks for the note on the hitch. I was thinking the same.



DieselDrax - no where did I mention using a 3/4 ton truck for this - certainly not my current TV.




I like the 3 axle setup idea on the trailer for stability and the extra 2 braking wheels.
Keep the useful comments, and sharing of your setups coming. Good feedback.
Thanks.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:33 AM   #7
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Thanks all for the replies.


KFX450RXC - interesting setup, and somewhat what I was envisioning. Thanks for the input.


clr - thanks for the note on the hitch. I was thinking the same.



DieselDrax - no where did I mention using a 3/4 ton truck for this - certainly not my current TV.




I like the 3 axle setup idea on the trailer for stability and the extra 2 braking wheels.
Keep the useful comments, and sharing of your setups coming. Good feedback.
Thanks.
You also didn't say you were going to look at bigger trucks, and your signature has a chevy 2500 in it, I took it as you were asking about that truck/camper combo. With that being said I have a 2014 RAM 3500 CCLB CTD, my towing capacity is 17.5K with a 4306 CCC, I would not tow a 5th/camper that size, I know the new trucks have higher capacities, I myself would not go over the documented capacities of the truck being used.
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No way and your signature says 2500 diesel. so what do you have? Later RJD
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DieselDrax - no where did I mention using a 3/4 ton truck for this - certainly not my current TV.


As mentioned, you also didnít say you were going to replace it. You only said you werenít interested in a dually, which IMO is what that trailer really calls for if you want a good towing experience.

There are some 1-ton SRW trucks that may work on paper if youíre careful, but honestly why spend money on a marginal truck that you have to worry about how everything is loaded? If youíre going to get a different truck then get the proper truck for the job. I know a dually is a pain for a daily driver but I would rather deal with a dually as a daily than a marginal truck towing a huge trailer. One is an inconvenience, the other has safety implications.
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When I had a customer that was looking at units that were obviously too much for their TV, I told them that they should at least have as many wheels on their TV as the unit they were looking at. Then they would often reply “so you’re telling me that you won’t sell me a unit”.
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