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Old 04-20-2015, 11:10 PM   #21
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I have the 3.55 and regular tow package and yes they come with the brake controller. There was very little difference in max tow versus my unit but obviously it is great to get it if you can as the payload sticker is higher.

I am not aware of anything outside of the mirrors and the gearing that are different than my fx4 which has the same leaf spring setup as max tow.

I am downsizing to a hybrid but it has less to do with any limitations of the f150 and more about my desire to have something shorter. Sometimes it is hard to know exactly what you want until you own one and figure out which features are important.


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Old 04-20-2015, 11:23 PM   #22
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Have a look at the Rockwood 2702SS and 2702WS floorplans. Your teenage daughters will be happier in the bigger bunk beds.

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Be VERY careful in what you believe that these people tell you. It has been proven many times on the F150Ecoboost site that they rarely know what they are selling or just plain lie to sell the truck.
I completely agree. I'm amazed at how much more I seem to know about their products than they do.


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The best way is to enter your VIN in this site. Then click the arrow that says "Minor Features" for the real deal on your truck. You would be amazed how many stealerships told owners they have Max Tow when they really have the lesser package.

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Awesome! Thanks so much for this!

You're right, you can get the VIN for nearly any vehicle for sale nowadays. Even used vehicle ads are starting to list the VIN so you can easily run a Carfax on them.

Great info here!
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:47 AM   #24
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Have a look at the Rockwood 2702SS and 2702WS floorplans. Your teenage daughters will be happier in the bigger bunk beds.
We're looking at the 2702WS as it seems to meet our needs really well. My wife is really sold on the Rockwood construction.

I'm concerned about the length. At just over 32' it seems like it is going to be pretty long.

I'm actually rethinking the whole F-150 at this point and wondering if should just go with the F-250 turbo-diesel and be done with it. At 14000 lbs. trailer tow rating and at least 3000 lbs. payload I think my towing worries would be over. Also the 860 lb.-ft. of torque is more than double what the 3.5 Ecoboost has.
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Old 04-21-2015, 12:15 PM   #25
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We haven't actually bought the truck yet.

We're looking at a 2015 F-150 Supercrew 4x4 5.5' with the 3.5 Ecoboost and with 3.55 gears and the regular towing package.

Ford won't put 3.73s in the particular trim combination we want, so I'm thinking I might do some aftermarket 4.10s.

If I want the Max Towing Package I would likely have to order it.

From Ford's towing guide, it looks like the main difference between the Max Tow (53C) and the regular towing package (53A) is:
  • Upgraded rear axle
  • Upgraded rear bumper
  • Trailer brake controller
The truck we're looking at has the integrated brake controller.

I'm certainly open to the idea of a 5th wheel, but the ones I'm seeing on the Forest River web site are all over 9000 lbs GVWR. I was thinking of trying to stay under 8000 since that would give me roughly 20% safety margin. I think the tow rating on the truck we are looking at is either 10700 or 11500.
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Good Deal!

Since you have not bought the truck yet, suggest you consider just ordering it from the factory as you want it! (The power towing mirrors are a absolute JOY to have!) and the Max Trailer towing package is a absolute MUST for towing in the mountains. Factory ordering only takes 3-6 weeks (Depending on holiday schedules). If you ordered today, for example, you MIGH just get your new truck before the plant shutdown for Memorial Day (they shut down Fri-Tue).

Other threads in the forum have discussed after-market gear exchanges and the general consensus is it is not worth it, it will void your powertrain warranty, and will not work as smoothly as a factory installed gear.

The new 2015 (and soon 2016) F150s will easily tow 11.7K. Even with your two daughters, DW, furkid, and assorted cargo you should be fine towing the 5er I recommended to you. Remember, the pleasure of towing a 5er is because the hitch is over your rear axels.

Another question - any particular reason you want a 4x4? If you have a need for it, good deal. If all you are going to be doing is pulling your RV to developed campgrounds (i.e., you are not going to boondock) you probably do not need a 4x4. Loosing the 4x4 will boost your payload capacity.


B&B, another EcoBeast fan, has put airbags on his F150 & reports that this mod is well worth the money!

Regarding the 20% safety margin - I suspect that is already engineered in to the truck already I seriously doubt that Ford engineers would claim the F150 can tow 11,700 lbs if that was the absolute maximum the truck could pull (IMO, I suspect the truck could safely pull 12,300-500 MAX--this is the engineering overhead I figure they put into the truck.)

Here's another thought: If you, your spouse, your spouses parents or your parents ever served in the military, you can join USAA and their truck buying service makes custom orders just as inexpensive as dealership lot deals
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Another question - any particular reason you want a 4x4? If you have a need for it, good deal. If all you are going to be doing is pulling your RV to developed campgrounds (i.e., you are not going to boondock) you probably do not need a 4x4. Loosing the 4x4 will boost your payload capacity.
Yes, we live in the Rocky Mountains, so lots of snow in the Winter. 4x4 is pretty much mandatory here.

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B&B, another EcoBeast fan, has put airbags on his F150 & reports that this mod is well worth the money!
Airbags were already on the shopping list.

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Regarding the 20% safety margin - I suspect that is already engineered in to the truck already I seriously doubt that Ford engineers would claim the F150 can tow 11,700 lbs if that was the absolute maximum the truck could pull (IMO, I suspect the truck could safely pull 12,300-500 MAX--this is the engineering overhead I figure they put into the truck.)
Ford does recommend 2% reduction in towing capacity for every 1000 feet.

We live at 6700 feet, and some of the areas we like to camp are at 10000 feet.

This makes me think I should at least consider a 15% safety margin.

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Good to know! My dad was in the Navy, so I'll look into it!
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Old 04-21-2015, 12:28 PM   #27
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We're looking at the 2702WS as it seems to meet our needs really well. My wife is really sold on the Rockwood construction.

I'm concerned about the length. At just over 32' it seems like it is going to be pretty long.

I'm actually rethinking the whole F-150 at this point and wondering if should just go with the F-250 turbo-diesel and be done with it. At 14000 lbs. trailer tow rating and at least 3000 lbs. payload I think my towing worries would be over. Also the 860 lb.-ft. of torque is more than double what the 3.5 Ecoboost has.
HAHA!! *NOW* you are thinking! I have started thinking the same way myself the past month as DW ogled the new Cedar Creeks at the RV show we went to

There is a saying on the forums: By your new truck for your NEXT 5er!

And if you get a 250, then you absolutely CAN tow just about anything out there...for instance:

Wildwood Heritage Glen Fifth Wheels / Travel Trailers by Forest River RV

Heck, if you are thinking F250, why not just *do it* and get a 1 ton!?

(Not to start truck wars here, but if you are going to get a turbo diesel, you might want to take a look at a Dodge)
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Old 04-21-2015, 02:00 PM   #28
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Yes, we live in the Rocky Mountains, so lots of snow in the Winter. 4x4 is pretty much mandatory here.



Airbags were already on the shopping list.



Ford does recommend 2% reduction in towing capacity for every 1000 feet.

We live at 6700 feet, and some of the areas we like to camp are at 10000 feet.

This makes me think I should at least consider a 15% safety margin.



Good to know! My dad was in the Navy, so I'll look into it!

Not that I would/could blame anyone for moving up to 3/4 ton, but with my AirLift LoadLifter 5000 Ultimates the eco does just find. There are LOTS of guys pulling 30+ foot travel trailers on the F150Ecoboost site.

The only reservation to the "Bigger is better" idea for trailer and/or truck is that many of the parks only have smaller spots if you want to get real outdoorsy. I limited my search to 29' expanded because of that.

As for the altitude thing, I live in Colorado Springs, and have no issues and have had mine up and over Monarch Pass (11K) several times. We camped outside of Leadville (10K) and at Taylor Park and near Gunnison (don't remember the elevation of either) without issue. Don't worry too much about the power loss because the twin turbos take care of the thin air and the 6 speed trans more than handles the hills.

As for USAA (which I do use for some things), I always get better rates from Penfed credit union.
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Not that I would/could blame anyone for moving up to 3/4 ton, but with my AirLift LoadLifter 5000 Ultimates the eco does just find. There are LOTS of guys pulling 30+ foot travel trailers on the F150Ecoboost site.
What's the weight specs on your trailer?
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Just a few points:

1. If you go with the EB, you do NOT need 4.10 gears. Steep gears in the past were to cause an engine to run higher RPM and therefore be closer to the peak of the torque curve and to overcome issues with 3 and 4 speed trannies. The EB puts out peak torque at ~2500 and has a six speed tranny. I have 3.55's and they ARE completely sufficient for towing heavy loads.

2. The EB is a forced induction engine. No need to reduce capacity at altitude. The suggestion to reduce towing capacity is for naturally aspirated engines.

3. The MaxTow is definitely NOT a necessity to tow heavy with the EB. Minimal changes that affect payload or towing capacity(really nothing to justify an increase in payload). 51 tube versus 41 radiator is really the only significant change. If there were accounts of overheating EB's hauling heavy loads- and there are lots of them out there towing heavy- I'd consider that important, but it's not the case. You do get some other goodies like tow mirrors and IBC- even though it's included in many other packages. Only other structural change is in rear spring code- and even that is the same on non Maxtow trucks with 20" wheels. I predict I'll be challenged on this statement, but I've proven the point in countless other EB discussions here on the forums using Ford documentation. This statement at least holds true on the 13 and 14 models. I'd confirm for 15 models.

With this being said, if you can afford the up front cost and additional maintenance on the F250 or 350 PSD, then go for it. It will ride rougher, particularly unloaded, though. One of my other gripes with the new PSD (had a 2011 model) is that the new gen of diesels don't particularly like lots of short trips that don't allow you to reach full operating temp.
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