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Old 08-02-2016, 08:28 PM   #21
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Plus if you delete all the emission stuff your grand kids can enjoy all that polluted air. And no i am not a tree hugger. Drink beer smoke weed (i do)what ever but keep the air clean Looked at China lately?
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Old 08-02-2016, 08:52 PM   #22
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It's my understanding the DEF is used for cleaning the exhaust filter, it gets injected after a set number of hours of operation and has nothing to do with lowering pollution itself at least that is the case on the F450 and John Deere tractors I have used.
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Old 08-02-2016, 09:36 PM   #23
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It's my understanding the DEF is used for cleaning the exhaust filter, it gets injected after a set number of hours of operation and has nothing to do with lowering pollution itself at least that is the case on the F450 and John Deere tractors I have used.
Pollution comes from exhaust on vehicles.Happy motoring
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...xhaust%20fluid
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Old 08-02-2016, 09:50 PM   #24
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We live in the Lake George area, what campground are you going to? There are some pretty nice ones here.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:05 PM   #25
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Diesel thoughts

If you pull a trailer that weights over 5000 lbs and you don't pull it with a diesel then you are missing out. I was very happy with a 5.7 Tundra and thought it did great other than gas milage, had some self imposed issues, bought a Powerstroke and I will never tow a heavy trailer again with a gasser. The power, ride and ease of driving are well worth the extra amount of payment, def fluid, filters.

My wife and I both feel much safer and in control with the weight and size. We pulled the Raton Pass at 70 mph with the cruise set, the rpms did not increase and the speed did not change 1mph in either direction.

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Old 08-02-2016, 10:16 PM   #26
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Plus if you delete all the emission stuff your grand kids can enjoy all that polluted air. And no i am not a tree hugger. Drink beer smoke weed (i do)what ever but keep the air clean Looked at China lately?


Diesel pollutes less than gas
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:22 PM   #27
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This is from DEF Overview - discover Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF):

"Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is an emissions control liquid required by modern diesel engines. It is injected into the exhaust stream. DEF is never added to diesel fuel. It is a non-hazardous solution of 32.5% urea in 67.5% de-ionized water. DEF is clear and colorless, and looks exactly like water. It has a slight smell of ammonia, similar to some home cleaning agents. DEF is used in by Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) technology to remove harmful NOx emissions from diesel engines.
In January 2010, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) brought in new emissions standards requiring medium- and heavy-duty vehicles to significantly reduce engine emissions, particularly NOx and particulate matter (PM). Vehicle manufacturers use SCR to meet these standards. DEF is sprayed into the exhaust, breaking down NOx gases into nitrogen and water using an advanced catalyst system. As a result most new diesel trucks, pickups, SUVs, and vans are now fitted with SCR technology and have a DEF tank that must be regularly refilled.
EPA set the emissions standards to improve air quality. NOx and PM emissions are associated with a wide range of health problems including respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, aggravation of asthma, acute respiratory symptoms, chronic bronchitis and decreased lung function. The EPA estimates that the emission standards will prevent 8,300 premature deaths, more than 9,500 hospitalizations and 1.5 million work days lost due to illness, saving approximately $70.3 billion by 2030.
SCR is a so-called "aftertreatment" technology, which means that it destroys harmful emissions after combustion. This gives manufacturers greater scope to tune engines to improve fuel efficiency and increase power. Owners of SCR vehicles enjoy greater reliability and longer oil change intervals, which add up to impressive operating cost savings over the life of the vehicle."

If replenishing is the only cost/inconvenience associated with def use, why would anyone want to bypass it? Are there other considerations?
Thank you! The Environment is important for out Grandkids! If people do not maintain the system they deserve to have to pay to fix it. My Warranty is 5 years and 120,000 km so I am covered.
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Thank you! The Environment is important for out Grandkids! If people do not maintain the system they deserve to have to pay to fix it. My Warranty is 5 years and 120,000 km so I am covered.
Sorry.... The expensive DPF is considered a consumable and is not covered by warranty.
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Congrats! You will be amazed at the difference in towing experience! And when you get tired of the DEF and all the associated BS then install a delete kit. My brother deleted all his farm trucks and was amazed at the difference in power and mileage. Of course we don't have state inspections out here. You can always hang all that crap back on for warranty work or trade-in time.
Hopefully your brother will either keep that truck until it literally dies or he keeps those parts if he sells it. Or has a bank full of cash if the buyer gets caught with it missing and he says it wasn't there when he bought it.
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Hopefully your brother will either keep that truck until it literally dies or he keeps those parts if he sells it. Or has a bank full of cash if the buyer gets caught with it missing and he says it wasn't there when he bought it.
Thank you for your concern. The parts for all 4 trucks are stored in a barn if they need them.
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