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Old 07-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Vibe 6504 Cargo Carrying Capacity - Is this right?

I am new here, my first post.

I have been looking to replace our Shadow Cruiser (poor seal design on slide-out) and am intrequed with the Vibe 6504 and the layout.

But I am finding the weight specifications confusing.

Per the spec sheet the trailer only has a 511lb cargo capacity.
http://www.forestriverinc.com/nd/def...ec&choice=vibe


(example) GVWR of 3795 minus (-) Unloaded weight of 3284 = 511 lbs left for cargo.


Here is where I am confused:

The trailer has a 38gal fresh water tank, so If I fill the water tank (@ 8lbs per gal) that takes 304lbs of the 511lbs leaving the trailer with 207? or even 187lbs if I fill the propane tank.

Am I right? the trailer's true cargo limit is 187lbs?

Someone please straighten this out for me. The closet dealer (with stock) is 3 hours away and they don't seam to want to deal with questions over the phone.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:51 PM   #2
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Anyone interested in doing the math on this one? Is there really as little cargo capacity left as it seems? What are we missing from this puzzle?
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:39 PM   #3
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It's a single axle camper. For all the Vibe 20'4" campers, if you subtract the dry hitch weight from the camper's GVWR, you get 3500 lbs...which would be the weight rating of the single axle. The 6504 looks to have the largest slide...it also has the highest dry weight, and therefore, the lowest CCC.

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It's a single axle camper. For all the Vibe 20'4" campers, if you subtract the dry hitch weight from the camper's GVWR, you get 3500 lbs...which would be the weight rating of the single axle. The 6504 looks to have the largest slide...it also has the highest dry weight, and therefore, the lowest CCC.

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Thanks for explaining. This unit requires careful planning for sure. I can't say I have seen this small of CCC before and it was throwing me off.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:05 PM   #5
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it's pretty normal for all trailers that have GVWR's around 3500lbs.
that's so manufacturers can claim that they are "minivan-towable", since most minivans and CUVs have a tow rating around 3500lbs.

look at any brand's trailers with that GVWR amount and you find the same thing, very poor CCCs.

the Jayco 17Z and 17C both have very low CCCs, for example.

i see it all the time from people with minivans and CUVs that want to tow a full-height trailer.
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Woodgrain,

To add to the above, realistically expect your trailer to come to you weighing more than the brochure states. This will lower your CCC. Even before you load it and put in batteries and propane, any factory options and dealers options will all change the weight. Good news is that the yellow sticker for your trailer will show the weight with factory options (but not anything added after it leaves the factory). The sticker will also show your true CCC.

One thing to add is don't travel with a full tank of water and instead fill up at the park. We carry a little for on-the-road bathroom breaks (and a few gallons in the BW tank) but I don't think I've ever traveled with a full FW tank.

I believe its critical that one never tows with a trailer that exceeds its GVWR, but that CCC is not as important once you are stationary and camping so, although 511lbs is miserly, it is doable for the minimalist camper.
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Thanks everyone for confirming.
The CCC is not going to cut it for us. Seams like short-sided design on FR's part. The trailer we are wanting to replace is the same length but with a double axle. Its Dry weight on it is 2929, Gross 5854 and CCC 2925 (per specs). It works ok because we take bikes and tones of gear. Yet, the design for the seals on the slide out is a joke and the slideout leaks. I've had shops look at it and, wall, they laugh. I guess I'll keep searching. Any suggestions for a well made light-weight trailer under 22' (total) ?
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If you need a sizable CCC, you have to look at dual axle campers in that length range.

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Thanks everyone for confirming.
The CCC is not going to cut it for us. Seams like short-sided design on FR's part. The trailer we are wanting to replace is the same length but with a double axle. Its Dry weight on it is 2929, Gross 5854 and CCC 2925 (per specs). It
doesn't matter what the length is, it's the GVWR that matters.
can't compare the Vibe, which only has a GVWR of 3794lbs.and single axle, vs. the one with a GVWR of 5854lbs. and tandem axles.
length has little to do with CCC, it's trailer/axle weight capacities.

like i said, this Vibe model is aimed at the minivan/CUV market, that's why its CCC is so low.
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doesn't matter what the length is, it's the GVWR that matters.
can't compare the Vibe, which only has a GVWR of 3794lbs.and single axle, vs. the one with a GVWR of 5854lbs. and tandem axles.
length has little to do with CCC, it's trailer/axle weight capacities.

like i said, this Vibe model is aimed at the minivan/CUV market, that's why its CCC is so low.

If any manufacture builds a trailer, it it should have the capasity to accomidate the occupensy. The (above mentined) model can sleep 5 people.

Do you really think you can pack for 5 people with this CCC?

It's just short sided design, and unfortunaty, someone is going to get hurt because they are enevitable going to overload the thing.

It is really to bad, because asside from the CCC issue, it's everything we want and we really like it.
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