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Old 09-05-2016, 06:49 AM   #51
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They check gas as well as diesel fuel.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:14 AM   #52
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They check gas as well as diesel fuel.
What a sniff your truck to see what you ate ?
Time to end this to much BS going on
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:42 AM   #53
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Just an FYI for all disbelievers. In Ontario, Canada your pickup is ALWAYS registered as a commercial vehicle. Even a Colorado or Tacoma. They put "COM" right on your ownership. Now, if you are using it for personal purposes you are exempt from daily logs and some other regs but you can be subject to weight enforcement. Pulling most TTs over 27' and probably all 5ers would put you over the 2800 kg (6173#) trailer weight threshold for being subject to annual truck inspections. If you're overweight or don't have the inspection sticker there's a hefty fine to be paid.

My neighbor's buddy got fined $500 for no sticker when pulling a personal trailer.

My point is that you can't assume that what is the law in your state is the law everywhere. And your assumptions may not always be correct.
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their is no reason for a pickup to be marked as commercial when used as a private use . but I will never be in Canada again after the problem I had years ago at the border and told them as I turned around no reason for me to ever come back here again, They asked for ID this was before you needed a passport so I showed my drivers lic, he threw it in my face saying whats this that's not ID so a long story cut short I said I will just go back to the usa and I walked back across the rainbow bridge.






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Commercial vehicle – Frequently asked questions


Q3: Who needs a CVOR certificate?
Operators of trucks and buses plated in Ontario, the US or Mexico require a CVOR.
These vehicles include:
  • trucks with a gross weight or registered gross weight over 4,500 kg
  • buses with a seating capacity of 10 or more passengers
Vehicles plated in other Canadian provinces or territories don't need a CVOR certificate. They require a safety fitness certificate from the province or territory in which the vehicle is plated.
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Guess I'm not qualified to tow to Canada. Oh well. There's plenty to see here.

Anyways, for anyone wondering, when they dip your tank they are looking for the non taxed off road diesel fuel. That fuel contains Solvent Red 164 Dye. This dye is blended at a ratio at the refineries.
Since it came up earlier, Yes ATF is red, but I don't believe it is the same dye used in the fuel so it will not indicate non-taxed fuel in a test.
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their is no reason for a pickup to be marked as commercial when used as a private use . but I will never be in Canada again after the problem I had years ago at the border and told them as I turned around no reason for me to ever come back here again, They asked for ID this was before you needed a passport so I showed my drivers lic, he threw it in my face saying whats this that's not ID so a long story cut short I said I will just go back to the usa and I walked back across the rainbow bridge.






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I had a similar experience back in 2002. Didn't have my "papers" to re-enter my own country (US). Never needed anything more than a driver's license before and that's what I had.

That trip was also my first with a diesel and traveling through MT. I seen how easy it was to purchase dyed diesel as it was sold right next to the taxed diesel.

I was warned by a long time friend who lived in Kalispell not to use it because anyone could be dip tested.
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As the answer to Q3 says the requirement for a CVOR is not applicable to pickups used for personal purposes. Also read Q16 on that page that addresses weights which is a separate issue from the CVOR. Doesn't matter if you are using your pickup for commercial or personal purposes, you're subject to the inspection regulations if you exceed 4500 kg truck weight OR 2800 kg trailer weight.

I found the online information confusing so I called the local highway weigh scale. They confirmed that since my trailer's weight scaled at 7300# (3311 kg), I need the yellow inspection sticker to be legal.

The vast majority of pickup owners here in Ontario have no idea this is the case and frankly it's rarely enforced.

The diesel fuel law is about government revenue and making road users pay for the road maintenance that those taxes fund (theoretically). The inspection law is about road safety and ensuring only trucks that are safe for the weights they are towing are on the roads.
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That's a new one on me.
I have run ATF in my fuel as a libricity additive since around 1972.Hydrostat Tractor trans fluid will work too.It will give the fuel a red cast,but Ive never been checked so I cant say if there would be a problem.The actual "ticket" for running non taxed fuel is from the IRS for tax evasion.They can sieze your vehicle as evidence if you are not "co operative".The fuel must be changed before the vehicle can procede.I do have a couple farmer friends that have been stopped.One time they called me to come out with my pump and some 55 gal drums to transfer fuel! The cops kept the fuel I pumped out. This was on I 75 down by MIO,a few years ago.
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Regarding Canada and weights, we tow with a full size Kenworth tractor registered as a rv in our home state towing a 5th wheel weighing around 21,000 lbs, do we need something special to travel in Canada? Reading things here I am confused and want to try to stay within the guidelines needed. Sorry off topic a bit just trying for info, thanks.
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