Thanks everyone for the welcomes. I would like to explain why I never really wanted a forest river product. I used to work in a van conversion factory in the cabinet shop so I'm kinda critical about the cabinet construction and other details. We looked and many campers from several manufacturers and the quality just was not there. some of the worse we looked at on dealers lots were salems, cardinals, and sierras. counter top were not trimmed flush, cabinets were visibly not square, holes drilled in wall for mounting and t.v. wiring missed the mark and were just left open. I'm not sure if they depend upon the dealer to fix these things or just let people live with it. but When you have a 4" hole in the wall behind your t.v. and they miss the right area and move it 6" over instead of replacing the panel and just leaving the other hole there. The Cedar Creek I purchased had several of these defects but they were minor and just needed the hinges and drawer slides adjusted. One of the things I really hated is that instead of using veneers on paneling edges they are now using tape. Most of the rv manufacturers are using this junk which in high humidity tend to loose its adhesive. If they would use solid hardwood on the faces of cabinets instead of plywood they wouldn't need it at all. The worse part of it is the tape is a 1/4" wider than the edge of the boards they are trying to cover and it looks real cheap. Also you don't really notice it in the dealers lot because there usually isn't very good lighting and it's real hard to notice until you have the lights on.