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Old 09-12-2010, 12:10 PM   #11
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Great White, nice looking trailer & truck.

How long have you had the truck & do they use salt on the roads in BC? The reason I ask, a lot of the GMT400s ('88-'98) extended cabs here in Ontario are showing rust damage @ the rear cab corners & above the box wheel opening. I had a '94 K1500 for 6 years & sold it w/ 100,000 miles on it. I washed it more often in the winter than summer & the only issue I had was surface rust where the tailpipe heat had burned off the paint. Easily fixed before selling.

I've had this truck for about 6 months now. But I've owned GMT 400 chassis trucks for years. I bought this one and scrapped my last (89 ECLB K1500) because of terminal frame rust (it was an east coast truck). This truck is sitting at 406 000 kms right now and still dieseling on....

Where I am in BC (vancouver island) they don't even really get snow. When they do, it might last a couple days at most. Temps rarely drop below 0c. So, no salt to really speak of. Heck, I don't think my town owns more than 1 plow truck!

GMT400's rusting in the cab corners, ext cab rockers and rear wheel wells are common. Thing is, these panels rust from the "inside out" and here's why:

The rear wheel wells are double walled (inner fender and bedside) and trap dirt in between them where the are welded at the fender lip. This gets wet and forms a "mud plug". This holds the moisture against the metal. The sun warms the metal from the outside and you have the best possible conditions for rust to form. I make it a policy to shoot high pressure water between the panels when I wash the truck and I keep spraying until it comes out clean on the other side of the well. Yes I'm adding water, but since I flush the dirt out, it dries quickly and staves off the rusties.

The cab corners rot because the cab drains plug with dust and dirt. It cakes on from the outside and runs down the panel from the inside. I periodically pull the rear interior panels off, flush the back side of the panels and finish with a rust preventer fluid of some sort.

Haven't had a panel issue yet that wasn't already in progress....

This one has clean rear wells and just a hint of rust in behind the ext cab rockers. Sure enough, there was a layer of dirt in the bottom that had clogged the drain vents solid. It was an easy afternoon to clean it up and shoot it with new paint. Then a good coat of rust preventative oil and clean out the drains.

Good to go for another 20 years....
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Old 09-12-2010, 04:17 PM   #12
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I don't know how the GMT800s will fare. Engineering was always having us cut the cab corners out of "tryout" cabs that they had built & sent thru the elpo process. They would have some new type of foam insulation that they were trying out.
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Old 09-12-2010, 04:33 PM   #13
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I don't know how the GMT800s will fare. Engineering was always having us cut the cab corners out of "tryout" cabs that they had built & sent thru the elpo process. They would have some new type of foam insulation that they were trying out.
Aha!

I see we have a factory insider.......
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:08 PM   #14
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Aha!

I see we have a factory insider.......
Make that "former factory insider". I "retired" in '08 before the Oshawa Truck Plant closed last year. If the VIN of your truck starts w/ a "2" it would've been built in Oshawa.

I was in the Truck Plant from '85 to '88, then from '97 to '08. I was over in the Car Plant (Luminas, Monte Carlos & Regals) during the interim years.
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is "elpo" what is commonly refered to as the "e-coat"?

Or is it a corrosion testing process?
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:20 PM   #16
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is "elpo" what is commonly refered to as the "e-coat"?
Yes, electro-deposit coating

The body is charged + or - (not sure as I wasn't involved in that stuff) & the tank w/ the coating is the opposite. I spent most of my years in the body shop rebuilding the spot welding guns, 1st manual ones during the C/K truck years, then robotic after '97.
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:22 PM   #17
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The tech heard back from FR warranty dept on upgrading our busted (less than 24 hrs old at the time) XS75.

The answer?

Basically, go "do something nasty" to your hat.

We'll replace it and nothing else. Shut up and take it.

No problem. I bought the seven year extended warranty and I'll be back every time it craps out. Every glitch, every stumble, every littel GD thing that goes wrong with it.

When that's done, I'll rip the pile out and swap in a jensen. Or whatever is the best going item for wall mount RV at the time.

It's not like we were asking for something for nothing. The trailer has a lower end model and were willing to pay the difference for a better one.

I bought a TT to enjoy travelling, audio and video are a big part of that for me. If it wasn't, I'd have stayed with lower end models or wouldn't have bought at all. For 35,000 all in (that's Canadian dollars in an area when TT's demand a premium), you'd expect a little bit of service. Service is not replacing a warranty item, that's the obligation of the contract. Service is finding a way to make the customer happy with thier purchase after an event like this.

Thanks for nothing FR, at least the dealer was wiling to go half on the price difference for the upgrade.

Not happy with FR and this does not bode well for the rest of the warranty experience in the future...not good at all.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:42 PM   #18
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Well, you're not gonna believe this but:

I dropped in the other day to return my crapped out Concertone head unit and the dealer had just gotten in a 2011 Flagstaff Classic Super Lite 831RLBSS with the atrium slide.

Against my better judgment, I walked in to have a looky see.

Crap.

Right away I loved the atrium slide and the extra space. The larger Tv, pantry, dinette with actual chairs and zx700 with ipod option was also nice. The queen bed in it's own slide out and bedroom armoir was an extra nice touch

I took the wife down to look the next day and she agreed if this had been on the lot, this would have been the one we would have dealt on.

The dealer dropped in and after a long talk we headed to the finance office to see what could be done.

Long story short?

We lost a thou on the super lite and paid a couple thou less than asking price on the 831RLBSS. The dealer sweetened the deal by buying down the interest rate by 1% with his option and we transferred the extended warranty (7 year hitch to bumper) over for a couple hundred. They're even coming out to pick up the trailer and haul it back to the dealership. I'll loose my two maxairr II vent covers, but a hundred bucks will buy me two more.

I pick up the 2011 Flagstaff Classic Super Lite 831RLBSS later this week....



Hmmm, does this mean I have to start a new "welcome" thread?

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That atrium slide is a thing of beauty isn't it?
It cost us an extra 600 clams when we ordered ours, but when you're parked in a private site, the view is awesome.
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