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Old 01-25-2013, 08:52 AM   #21
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With bikes it looks like this
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:18 AM   #22
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Camper bumper - NO. Rear opening toy hauler bumper - Yes Toy hauler bumbers are heavy duty beasts used to support the ramp/rear wall and are attached at several points and are NOT used to store waste pipes (corrosion) like camper bumpers.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:32 AM   #23
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With the proliferation of Lite and Ultra-Lite campers, frame and bumper strength as a function of "overkill" has resulted in a frame that "does the job" as shipped, but not a whole lot more.

Modifications that go beyond the designed intent need to be carefully thought out because the OEM frame may not be capable of supporting the designed life expectancy after the modification.

For example, adding weight at the very rear of a camper not planned for in the placement of the trailer axles, can result in frame flex beyond that which can be sustained for the planned life expectancy (frame flex cycles).

This also applies to camper/TV GVWR as well.

To get some idea of what frame flexing does to the metal of the frame, a coiled metal paper clip will give you some idea. (This is a great exercise while watching paint dry or listening to the In-Laws explain your faults).

Open up the paper clip so it is a straight as you can get it. Holding the ends, flex the paperclip back and forth VERY slightly. The idea is not to bend the paper clip at all, just flex it. Count the bends and when it snaps, record the number of times you flexed it and where the paper clip broke. (Repeat this exercise as many times as it takes until they shut up.)

After a bit you will come to realize that the location of the break is pretty random, but the number of flexes is pretty constant (provided your flexes were pretty constant). The larger the flex transients; the sooner the break.

You will also realize listening to the In-Laws was not so bad after all while doing this research.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:16 AM   #24
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With bikes it looks like this
Herk - any issues with motors temps increasing with the bikes up there? I had thought about that route initially but wasn't sure how much it would disrupt airflow.
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Herk - any issues with motors temps increasing with the bikes up there? I had thought about that route initially but wasn't sure how much it would disrupt airflow.
Not motor temps. The diesel seemed to keep things well under control.
I did experience a few degrees on transmission temp increase (worse about 5) over what I would normally get under similar towing circumstances. The auxiliary transmission cooler is located low on the front near the bike pedals, so that makes sense.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:06 PM   #26
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With the proliferation of Lite and Ultra-Lite campers, frame and bumper strength as a function of "overkill" has resulted in a frame that "does the job" as shipped, but not a whole lot more.

Modifications that go beyond the designed intent need to be carefully thought out because the OEM frame may not be capable of supporting the designed life expectancy after the modification.

For example, adding weight at the very rear of a camper not planned for in the placement of the trailer axles, can result in frame flex beyond that which can be sustained for the planned life expectancy (frame flex cycles).

This also applies to camper/TV GVWR as well.

To get some idea of what frame flexing does to the metal of the frame, a coiled metal paper clip will give you some idea. (This is a great exercise while watching paint dry or listening to the In-Laws explain your faults).

Open up the paper clip so it is a straight as you can get it. Holding the ends, flex the paperclip back and forth VERY slightly. The idea is not to bend the paper clip at all, just flex it. Count the bends and when it snaps, record the number of times you flexed it and where the paper clip broke. (Repeat this exercise as many times as it takes until they shut up.)

After a bit you will come to realize that the location of the break is pretty random, but the number of flexes is pretty constant (provided your flexes were pretty constant). The larger the flex transients; the sooner the break.

You will also realize listening to the In-Laws was not so bad after all while doing this research.
I love learning from you Lou! And your humor keeps it fun!
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:10 PM   #27
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People are always looking to the rear when the front of the tow vehicle works just fine if not better.
I installed a receiver on the front of my Silverado for about $190 & 30 mins of time. No drilling required.
Works great for canoe rack, bike rack or one of those flat cargo racks.
Has a 500 lb weight limit.

You just have to remember when turning that you have an extra 2+ feet in front of you.
Been thinking about a front hitch for a long time, not to carry bikes, but for a cargo basket where I could store cargo bags, ice chest, deer I hit on the way to the campground, etc...!
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:31 PM   #28
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Been thinking about a front hitch for a long time, not to carry bikes, but for a cargo basket where I could store cargo bags, ice chest, deer I hit on the way to the campground, etc...!
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I tried to put my generator up there. The problem I ran into was how low the whole assembly was. The tray is at concrete tire bumper height and I could not see anything I was carrying. I could not even tell if it fell off (except for the unexplained bump - JK).

In the end, the generator stayed in the bed of the truck and the bikes moved between the front hitch when traveling and the back hitch on the camper when in camp. Yes, I did keep my RV bumper hitch installed. It serves two purposes.

A convenient place to store the bikes and bike carrier when in camp and it helps keep the RV bumper from deflecting so much from the spare tire carrier and the "Blue Boy" mount.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:29 PM   #29
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Been thinking about a front hitch for a long time, not to carry bikes, but for a cargo basket where I could store cargo bags, ice chest, deer I hit on the way to the campground, etc...!
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I’ve done two trips with a 5600 watt generator in a basket.
You can’t tell from the picture but there’s about 9” between the gen & the grill.
The longest & first trip was 300 mile trip out Rt 80 in PA to the Allegheny National Forest last fall.
I kept an eagle eye on the engine & tranny temps & neither registered any higher than a normal pull with nothing up front.

I added two of snow plow marker poles from Tractor Supply so I could see the basket clearance while in the drivers seat.
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The snow plow marker poles are an excellant idea!
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