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Old 02-10-2019, 07:17 PM   #51
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I don't think it was mentioned in this thread but RV propane furnaces are extremely loud. That is why I use an electric space heater when camping in cold weather. I only run it on the 750 watt setting so I don't worry about the 14 gauge Romex wire heating up.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:20 PM   #52
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I would think that the RV parks would be able to charge whatever they want for the electricity.

Notice that many RV parks now have an electric meter on every pedestal.

And if they don't...most likely they will next time they upgrade the power posts!

It's coming...to an RV park or campground near you!


YES metered electric is the wave of the future . but mostly longer term stays .
They can not add on to the price they get charged based on laws . if they do they become an electric provider and have to follow a different set of rules . so if any park adds on to the KWH price it's not really legal . don't want to get into a debate here , but you can search it out if you wish . Been trying to stay neutral on this as it's a waste of time and unimportant to me
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:14 PM   #53
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I forget who mentioned it, but a 1500 watt hair dyer and a heater are vastly different in temperature and heat output. To use an example of the difference between two similar wattage heat producing appliances, a 1500 watt hair dryer is lucky to push 130 or 140 degrees where 1500 watt heat gun on the other hand can put out 1200 degrees. Different purposes, different heat. Of course, BTUs are still the deciding factor and while much less than the RV furnace, a good ceramic or even infrared quartz will save propane and money if electric is included on a site already paid for.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:37 PM   #54
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Rand, the only difference is really the concentration or focus of the heat. 1500 W of heat in an electric convection type of heating appliance (which those with a fan are) puts out 5100 BTU's of heat. In a closed system, the 1500 W hair dryer will put out the same heat as the 1500 W space heater, and heat the air in the closed system to the same degree. The temperature measured at the outlet of the heating device will vary depending on volume of air flow moving over heating element and the area of the heater air flow outlet.
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Rand, the only difference is really the concentration or focus of the heat. 1500 W of heat in an electric convection type of heating appliance (which those with a fan are) puts out 5100 BTU's of heat. In a closed system, the 1500 W hair dryer will put out the same heat as the 1500 W space heater, and heat the air in the closed system to the same degree. The temperature measured at the outlet of the heating device will vary depending on volume of air flow moving over heating element and the area of the heater air flow outlet.
Exactly! But in both cases, 4100 BTU's/hr will be put into the "space."

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At a 50% loss of efficiency for the propane furnaces in most rv's Electric would be cheaper . if there is indeed 50% loss, which i don't doubt
Incorrect. Your statement would be true if you were paying the same price for a BTU of electricity and a BTU of LP gas. Unfortunately, the price/BTU isn't the same. Electric costs more, for a slew of reasons.

It's why most people don't want to heat their homes with electric if they can help it.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:03 AM   #56
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Hey Bruce --

Got a source for this?I can only find UK references, not US.

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The only reason I know this is because I was party to a meeting with a Federal inspector, social workers, the property owner and many of the service providers for a Section 8 apartment building I did work in. Virginia Dominion Power had a representative there because one of the issues they were dealing with was the tenants claiming they were being overcharged for electricity. The inspector, the electrician and the power company representative were discussing the viability of installing sub meters for each unit. The topic of reselling electricity came up in this discussion. The power company representative mentioned that it was illegal in all states to resell publicly-provided electricity for a profit. The inspector agreed and said that this applied to all landlords — not just those providing Section 8 housing.

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EDIT: I should mention that this meeting took place in 2008. Maybe things have changed since then. And I’m sure my above statement wouldn’t hold up to Judge Judy’s sniff test and would be considered as hearsay.
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We bought two small heaters when we got our Cherokee two years ago. These models, if you tip they shut off, if you pick them up by the handle...they shut off. There is a safety switch on the bottom that will only allow the heater to function if it's sitting upright on a hard surface.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:03 AM   #58
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Question for those who have stayed at parks where they meter electricity, what is the rate?

And my original point is electric space heaters when used properly are just as "safe" as RV LP furnaces. Yes, there are the rare tragedy for either, and anything electrical (or LP for that matter) can have problems and start a fire (from lights to outlets), but I for one would think the potential for LP leakage and issues/dangers with anything LP would be greater than with a simple plug in space heater if used properly and with common sense.

As to efficiency, with most RV/TT having standard windows and even the double pane being marginal for energy efficiency, to argue a 1500 watt electric heater is wasting energy compared to a LP furnace is apples to kumquats IMO. If we were looking for max efficiency, none of us would own these things. It's the nature of the beast. Electric heat is convenient, and for a lot of us virtually cost free. So unless you are extreme 4 season camping it should be great.
That's like asking "How long is a piece of rope". Depends on where you are in the country and who is producing the electricity. Depends on if it's residential rate or commercial rate. Cost range from $.11 KWH to $.26 KWH.
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Really.... many?
I spent 221 nights in multiple RV parks over the past 2 years and never saw a meter on any site I used.
Yes...MANY!

Here are two of the many places I stayed at in 2018...take a look at the pedestals:
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Yes...MANY!

Here are two of the many places I stayed at in 2018...take a look at the pedestals:
OK, I guess 2 is “many”. You win.
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