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03-21-2014, 11:16 AM
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Installing Hott Rod water heater element
I bought the Hott Rod with switch kit for my Puma (2013 30DBSS). At first, since I bought the switch accessory I thought it would somehow hard wire in and not require a receptacle. Well I was wrong. You still plug it into a receptacle. My question is this. I have a dedicated circuit for the propane water heater (6 Gallon Suburban) with it's own breaker. I can't imagine it pulling that much power. Would it be a bad idea to put in a junction box in that compartment and then split off a receptacle as well to plug in the electric element? I wouldn't mind running another dedicated run but logistically I'm not sure how it would happen. My converter is in the bunk house room I'm not aware of a way to get into the floor to run the wire up to the kitchen area. Thanks in advance for your replies. 
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03-21-2014, 02:23 PM
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As a follow-up, I read that the Hott Rod only pulls 4 Amps and I can't believe my Suburban 6 Gallon only being propane pulls anything really. So, theoretically, this should be fine what I am proposing to do. Just would like someone with actual electrical background to confirm.
Thanks again.
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03-21-2014, 02:27 PM
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The propane side is 12v not 110v so your good there.
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03-21-2014, 02:39 PM
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Now that you say that I remember that fact. Why exactly would I have a breaker and not a fuse then? Isn't the breaker for the AC side of things and the fuses are for the 12v things? I'm not at home so maybe I am confusing things here but I swear it was on a breaker.
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03-21-2014, 02:54 PM
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Now that you say that I remember that fact. Why exactly would I have a breaker and not a fuse then? Isn't the breaker for the AC side of things and the fuses are for the 12v things? I'm not at home so maybe I am confusing things here but I swear it was on a breaker.
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Are you sure your wh is gas only?
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03-21-2014, 02:55 PM
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Does it look like this?
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03-21-2014, 02:56 PM
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Yes, that I am completely sure. I better check tonight to confirm before we speculate too much on this whether it was a breaker or not.
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03-21-2014, 02:58 PM
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Or like this?
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03-21-2014, 03:01 PM
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It looks more like the first one. There definitely isn't a switch on it to turn on electric. The Pumas come standard with the Propane only and I know it wasn't optioned with electric as well.
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03-21-2014, 03:26 PM
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It looks more like the first one. There definitely isn't a switch on it to turn on electric. The Pumas come standard with the Propane only and I know it wasn't optioned with electric as well.
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The first one is gas and electric.
The second is gas only.
Switch far left hidden
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03-21-2014, 03:30 PM
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I don't have that switch though. I'm as close to 100% sure as I can get. That being said, before we speculate too much farther, let me double check tonight after work. Thanks for all of your help thus far.
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03-21-2014, 03:39 PM
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I had a bit of a "moment" there. I realized I could have my wife send me a picture of it.
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03-21-2014, 06:23 PM
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Ok I know where my confusion came in. The sticker says water heater but it is crossed out with a marker and is below the last breaker. Mystery solved. So now I have to figure out how to get a wire up to the water heater compartment to add the outlet. 
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03-21-2014, 08:34 PM
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If you are running the fridge on propane, you can steal the AC circuit in that compartment.
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03-21-2014, 08:43 PM
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Quote:
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I had a bit of a "moment" there. I realized I could have my wife send me a picture of it.
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I think it is a propane only and don't think you can add an electric element.
But, with all the pictures, I'm probably totally wrong.
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03-22-2014, 10:18 AM
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My parents have a 6 gallon suburban water heater in there rig it took me about one hour to put in the hot rod system
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03-22-2014, 10:28 AM
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Quote:
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I think it is a propane only and don't think you can add an electric element.
But, with all the pictures, I'm probably totally wrong.
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I think the HotRodd element goes where the anode rod is...
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03-22-2014, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
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I think it is a propane only and don't think you can add an electric element.
But, with all the pictures, I'm probably totally wrong.
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The Hot Rod that he is installing goes in the water heater drain port (the same place as an anode rod for those of us with Gas/Electric water heaters). It is essentially an electric heating element with an internal preset thermostat.
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03-22-2014, 10:41 AM
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If it's a Suburban it still needs an anode rod. The electric element doesn't change that. I would only use a HottRodder in a gas only Attwood.
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03-22-2014, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
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If it's a Suburban it still needs an anode rod. The electric element doesn't change that. I would only use a HottRodder in a gas only Attwood.
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He would be fine as long as he drained it after every trip and left it empty. He will probably sell his unit before any damage to the tank would be done. My rod looks like new after 2 years. I leave mine full and plugged in all the time. for 49 mos now and I use well water.... 
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