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Incheon, S. Korea
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LEDs are LEDs. It's the circuitry that drives the lights that determines brightness, how hot they get, etc. There are better ones than others, though, but they all folow an industry standard. 2030s are 2mm x 3mm, 5050 LEDs measure 5mm x 5mm and are actually 3 small LEDs in one, and so on.
The higher the voltage and current, the brighter the light and the shorter the lifespan.
Some use simple resistors to control brightness, while the good ones use ICs and a smal circuit board.
Here's a message I got from LEDWholesalers; (within 24 hours, too)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:24:08 +0000
From: [e-mail address removed]
To: [e-mail address removed]
Subject: Re: Product details inquiry from Amazon customer Baron Dugger
Hello:
Thanks for bringing to our attention the typos in the listings. B005DO8MGM gives white light (6000K, 288 lumen), while B004DDPHDU is warm-white (3500K, 252 lumen).
Note that 2201 has an external converter (LED driver), which takes 120VAC input and should not be bypassed.
There are various brightness level LED strips available (in order of increasing brightness): B002QQ1YOM, B003VXFK0I, B004IS7YL8. Just keep in mind that multiple LED strips should be wired in parallel (as opposed to in series or end-to-end).
Please see ASIN B0058LXSA0 (white) and B0058LXMKQ (warm-white) for similar products to B006IAS1PM.
Regards,
LEDwholesalers
You get what you pay for...
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07-31-2013, 07:58 PM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: South West PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBaron
LEDs are LEDs. It's the circuitry that drives the lights that determines brightness, how hot they get, etc. There are better ones than others, though, but they all folow an industry standard. 2030s are 2mm x 3mm, 5050 LEDs measure 5mm x 5mm and are actually 3 small LEDs in one, and so on.
The higher the voltage and current, the brighter the light and the shorter the lifespan.
Some use simple resistors to control brightness, while the good ones use ICs and a smal circuit board.
Here's a message I got from LEDWholesalers; (within 24 hours, too)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:24:08 +0000
From: [e-mail address removed]
To: [e-mail address removed]
Subject: Re: Product details inquiry from Amazon customer Baron Dugger
Hello:
Thanks for bringing to our attention the typos in the listings. B005DO8MGM gives white light (6000K, 288 lumen), while B004DDPHDU is warm-white (3500K, 252 lumen).
Note that 2201 has an external converter (LED driver), which takes 120VAC input and should not be bypassed.
There are various brightness level LED strips available (in order of increasing brightness): B002QQ1YOM, B003VXFK0I, B004IS7YL8. Just keep in mind that multiple LED strips should be wired in parallel (as opposed to in series or end-to-end).
Please see ASIN B0058LXSA0 (white) and B0058LXMKQ (warm-white) for similar products to B006IAS1PM.
Regards,
LEDwholesalers
You get what you pay for...
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Thanks for the post Bigbaron. Looks to me like IC are the ones to go with
Thanks
Rick
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08-03-2013, 12:46 PM
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Here are some led lights I installed on my georgetown xl 378
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08-04-2013, 12:34 PM
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Not true at all. There is tremendous difference in light output per watt (efficiency) based on how the LED's are made. The control part is really more for stability and reliability. You have to drive the device within it's specified parameters and an IC will do that more accurately than a resistor, but there can be big differences in the parameters.
My company sells equipment to LED manufacturers and I can tell you that there is a tremendous amount of R&D being spent by the best manufacturers right now because improving the light output (lumens per watt) and reducing manufacturing cost is the only way that LED lighting will ever be practical for general use. General lighting is basically the only big growth area for the LED market so it's a high priority.
Just in the last few years, companies like Cree, Phillips (Lumileds) and Osram have made major improvements in LED technologies and you'll see them improve even more in the next few years.
Being a small market, the technology for RV lighting products will probably lag behind general lighting but it will inevitably improve also.
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08-04-2013, 12:42 PM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogsarg
Not true at all. There is tremendous difference in light output per watt (efficiency) based on how the LED's are made. The control part is really more for stability and reliability. You have to drive the device within it's specified parameters and an IC will do that more accurately than a resistor, but there can be big differences in the parameters.
My company sells equipment to LED manufacturers and I can tell you that there is a tremendous amount of R&D being spent by the best manufacturers right now because improving the light output (lumens per watt) and reducing manufacturing cost is the only way that LED lighting will ever be practical for general use. General lighting is basically the only big growth area for the LED market so it's a high priority.
Just in the last few years, companies like Cree, Phillips (Lumileds) and Osram have made major improvements in LED technologies and you'll see them improve even more in the next few years.
Being a small market, the technology for RV lighting products will probably lag behind general lighting but it will inevitably improve also.
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How do you know when your buying an IC type led vs a resister type led? What do you look for?
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08-04-2013, 06:16 PM
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I put the 13-LED 5050 lamps in the light fixtures the other day. I honestly couldn't tell much difference between these and the ones I put in last week. The color was slightly different on these, so I put all 20 in so they would all be the same. I also haven't looked at them after dark yet and am now in Houston for 3-1/2 weeks.
We plan to go to Pahrump, NV the first week of September and will give them a workout then.
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08-29-2013, 08:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DKListul
I put the 13-LED 5050 lamps in the light fixtures the other day. I honestly couldn't tell much difference between these and the ones I put in last week. The color was slightly different on these, so I put all 20 in so they would all be the same. I also haven't looked at them after dark yet and am now in Houston for 3-1/2 weeks.
We plan to go to Pahrump, NV the first week of September and will give them a workout then.
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I just installed the same bulbs ordered from the same place. I just don't think they are bright enough. They seem to be OK above sink and stove lights. In my bathroom and garage it just isn't enough light. Is there any other type that is brighter?
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08-29-2013, 06:05 PM
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Incheon, S. Korea
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Location: Incheon, South Korea
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You need 18 5050 LEDs to equal the original incandescent bulbs. They are available everywhere. I get mine on Amazon.
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08-29-2013, 07:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBaron
You need 18 5050 LEDs to equal the original incandescent bulbs. They are available everywhere. I get mine on Amazon.
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These are what I used. Are there any brighter ones?
Wholesale 20x T10 194 168 921 Bulb 5050 13 SMD LED Wedge Car White LED Light | eBay
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08-30-2013, 05:52 AM
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Incheon, S. Korea
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Check this out on Amazon:
Brightest LED Replacements for Malibu Landscape light T10 Wedge Base 18 x 5050 SMD 12v Ac/dc, 1441ww
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004DDPHDU/..._am_us?ie=UTF8
Don't fall for the ones that charge high shipping! I'm an Amazon prime member, so I don't pay for shipping.
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2012 Coachmen Clipper 126 - Don't even have a TV anymore.
I don't know when we'll be able to go camping again...
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08-30-2013, 06:05 AM
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While at the FROG Rally the CC tech gave me replacement led bulbs for my ceiling lights, they had to many on one switch and the switch would get hot( one melted) so there is less draw now. I got a total of 37 led lights and what a difference!!!!!!!
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08-30-2013, 07:04 AM
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I swapped out all the ones inside our new trailer and with the radio on and all lights in the trailer on I was around 2.5 amps... Before with the radio on and 3 light fixtures (6 lamps) I was about 8.4 amps!! Kind of a big savings, especially if you camp and aren't plugged in (like we are)..
These are what I went with:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/161045293312?...84.m1497.l2649
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08-30-2013, 07:50 AM
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Incheon, S. Korea
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Those are only about 100 lumens. A standard bulb is 280+ lumens. I put ones like these (115 lumens) in our old trailer and it was too dark.
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2012 Coachmen Clipper 126 - Don't even have a TV anymore.
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08-30-2013, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBaron
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Do you know how many lumens they are?
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08-30-2013, 09:02 PM
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Incheon, S. Korea
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It says on the description - 288 lumens for cool white. I only buy from LED Wholesalers because they are so helpful.
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2012 Coachmen Clipper 126 - Don't even have a TV anymore.
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08-31-2013, 10:23 AM
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Fred and Carol
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Looks good. If you were at the 2013 international rally in Goshin one of the venders had a good supply of the LED's for sale. They did a seminar on LED lighting which was also good.
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08-31-2013, 12:16 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBaron
It says on the description - 288 lumens for cool white. I only buy from LED Wholesalers because they are so helpful.
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I cant seem to find where it says 280 lumens? I dont want to order another set of dim bulbs.
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09-02-2013, 06:54 PM
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We had our first trip out with the LEDs, and as mentioned they are a bit dimmer than the factory incandescants.. Still bright enough to get ready for bed with and to brush your teeth..
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09-06-2013, 12:54 AM
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Incheon, S. Korea
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 10x
I cant seem to find where it says 280 lumens? I dont want to order another set of dim bulbs.
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I got an e mail from LED Wholesalers with all of the specs, but on most of the good lights, they list lumens. Cool white is always the brightest-think surgical suite-and warm white the dimmest.
I'm at work and class is about to begin, so I can't go into detail as I am getting ready for battle... LOL
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2012 Coachmen Clipper 126 - Don't even have a TV anymore.
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09-06-2013, 06:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBaron
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Am I reading this right, they are 10 bucks a piece?
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