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Old 04-15-2019, 09:03 PM   #1
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Lippert solid step...removal

Not sure if this is in the right location or not.

Just purchased a 2019 325 Wolfpack 13 toy hauler. Love pretty much everything except the pile of junk stairs that are starting to show in new campers. Iím referring to the solid step finger pinching pos.

I thought that I could learn to live with it, but after 3 weeks I want the stupid thing gone.

My camper storage location at my house makes the use of this step impossible as the pad isnít much wider than the camper and itís 8+ inches to the ground. Dropping the step has already dented the crap outta the trailer and slightly sprung the bottom hinge.

Toss in the mud and water now in the coach cause the DW forgot to clean the steps, in ability to get by the stairs while in the coach from the rear, pinched and cut fingers, plus the overall clunkyness of it makes me wonder why anybody would want this arcane pos on a toy hauler! I mean really whatís wrong with the plain Jane 3 step pull out? So what it wiggles? The whole RV does!

Just another example of a solution that has more problems than it solves.

Ok enough ranting, has anyone put in a set of pull out stairs on a coach that doesnít have them originally?

Any suggestions?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:30 PM   #2
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Lippert solid step...removal

Agree! My door is half over the rear wheel so Iím stuck with them.
Canít even sweep the dirt out the door!
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:47 PM   #3
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I found a nice 3 step pull out on etrailer ( even seem a 4 step pull out) but not sure if it is mounted in an angle iron cassette or not.

Fortunately I can look at my rear door as it is a standard pullout step.

I’m handy with a welder and not afraid to fabricate the mounts and trim it out.

The dealership I purchased it from was willing to swap it out for $500. I’m just not sure that they could do a better job than I could... I want it to look factory, not something that looks like it was cut up with a sawzall.

What ever is done something has to be done with the floor hinge piece that is screwed to the floor ( thru the vinyl flooring )in the coach that also contacts the bottom of the door.

Probably means at a minimum I’ll have to replace the hinge plate with a metal blank of same size.
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:33 PM   #4
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I took a closer look at the door today.

Good news is that it looks to be a very easy fix.

The pos steps can be removed with out modifications to the door. In fact it will extend the life of the door as the bottom sweep will not be pressured so much when the step is at a odd angle.

Once the step is out I will repair the vinyl flooring with some repair putty. A shoe wipe rug sits at our doorstep any way.

I will need to fabricate or purchase the hangers for the pull out steps...not a big deal as they are just 14 ga plate with flange bends on each end.

The trim under the door will need to be cut back and the cut edges will be trimmed in marine push on edging.

I’m getting the steps and trim on order. And will post the process in a few weeks.
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Old 04-21-2019, 05:44 AM   #5
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Picture building a deck and having to deal with that My deck is at trailer floor level. (seasonal site. doesn't move) If had that I would have to remove it.

Neighbor in camp has one. He built a ground lever deck. He had to built in an opening in the deck to allow the stairs to fold down. The problem is now he has to precision park the trailer every time in order for the stairs to fit.
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Old 04-21-2019, 06:40 AM   #6
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How do you really feel about the steps?

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Old 04-21-2019, 09:02 AM   #7
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Our problem was not having enough room to fold down the steps in the storage yard due to the lack of room to the next trailer. I drilled out the rivets that mount the stairs to the hinge and replaced the rivets with ball-detent pins. The stairs now go in a storage compartment and we use a set of portable aluminum folding steps if we want to get in without mounting up the stairs. For traveling, I simply remount the stairs and use a section of pool noodle to keep the stairs from damaging the screen as I no longer use the gas struts. DW loves the stairs so I had to find a work-around.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:18 AM   #8
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Those steps are a classic..."Love / Hate" relationship. We love ours. Not a single problem with them. No trouble getting level, no pinch, no damage. Now in situations like yours with storage...yeah...it becomes an issue. I'm able to store in driveway with plenty of room to open steps, so that has not been an issue for me. Wife loves the stability of them and they were a Godsend for my Mother-in-Law...R.I.P when we first got the trailer.
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Different people like different stuff, I always tell people what works for you. Some people take the old steps out and put the new steps in. Daisy Boykin likes the new steps so he had the old steps taken out and the new steps installed. What works for one doesnít work for all. Buy what you like
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I agree with the OP. I would never buy a unit with those solid steps. I would make replacing them with regular or glowsteps a part of the deal.
The only advantage I see in these solid steps is if you weight 250+, as they can be more stable.
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