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Old 04-28-2013, 10:15 PM   #21
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Nice little article explaining the problem and an easy solution.

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Cheers Ray
The only potential problem I can see with using this G-N bonding plug is a possible GFCI tripping if it's plugged into a GFCI outlet, and there's unbalanced leakage current. However, most of these portable inverter generators don't appear to have a GFCI at all, and even if one did trip it would only open up the hot side, not the neutral side of the outlet. In fact, I think that floating the neutral is how generator manufacturers get away with leaving off the GFCI.

I don't think this is a problem, just something to be aware of with any generator grounding situation.

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Old 04-28-2013, 11:22 PM   #22
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Wow, now this is great information.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:23 PM   #23
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WOW ! Thanks !
I purchased the plug,today,and will wire jumper,and try it out tomorrow !
And yes, Thanks again Ray !
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:49 PM   #24
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Hey Ray,

My article on Reverse Polarity Bootleg Grounds (RPBG) will be printed in Electrical Construction and Maintenance (EC&M) Magazine in May. That's when the real fun will begin. I'll make sure to send you links to the online version.

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Old 04-29-2013, 04:18 PM   #25
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Well ....just a FYI, with my particular set up,the jumper did not work,the gen set accepted it and so did the trailer,for a few seconds,then the gen set tripped its internal protection. So in my case,think ill just bypass the PI,when running the gen set.
Thanks anyway !
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:34 PM   #26
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Well ....just a FYI, with my particular set up,the jumper did not work,the gen set accepted it and so did the trailer,for a few seconds,then the gen set tripped its internal protection. So in my case,think ill just bypass the PI,when running the gen set.
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Interesting. Were you plugged into a GFCI outlet? What brand/model generator is this?

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:58 PM   #27
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Boily 3600 sei,it only has two outlets, 30amp 3 prong,and one reg. 110. Checked with multi meter, it's putting out 123 -122 After the gen flashed AC light,meaning re-set to power,turned off to re-set,then each time I tried without jumper,and with bypass PI,it would not hold camper,ie. AC light flash,and reset. But it would run a circular saw ?
I let it sit a few,checked connections,visually, tried without jumper,and again bypass PI sg, it not only held it ran Air conditioner,and a two bulb halogen work light,and two flat screen's.
So, if this is how it wants to work,this is what I will do...? I guess.
Thanks for trying !
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:40 PM   #28
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Boily 3600 sei,it only has two outlets, 30amp 3 prong,and one reg. 110....

So, if this is how it wants to work,this is what I will do...? I guess.
Thanks for trying !
I'm not giving up on this. There's something not quite right about how this is working, so I'm going to contact the generator manufacturer and get a schematic on how their grounding/bonding is set up. I'm just trying to cover all my bases for a major upcoming article I'm writing about generator grounding/bonding for the pro-sound industry, and need to be sure I understand every generator bonding situation.

So is this your generator? Mad Dog Boily Pro Electric Start

Also, the sales literature states it includes both a 20-amp Edison and a 30-amp RV outlet, rather than a 30-amp twist-lock generator outlet. Is that indeed the case with your generator? Dois it have an RV outlet that looks like the one at Mis-wiring a 120-volt RV outlet with 240-volts | No~Shock~Zone

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Yes ,it has the one on the left,with u shaped ground.
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Rolling, when you tried the jumper, was your generator still grounded to earth as in post #9? If yes, have you tried without the ground connected to earth to see if it makes a difference?
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