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Old 05-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #31
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Hey Ray,

My article on Reverse Polarity Bootleg Grounds (RPBG) will be printed in Electrical Construction and Maintenance (EC&M) Magazine in May. That's when the real fun will begin. I'll make sure to send you links to the online version.

Mike Sokol
Congrats , please do send me the link.

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Old 05-04-2013, 09:40 AM   #32
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I'm not trying anything, it works bypassing,I can't afford a new board,or any repairs,out of time

Thanks for you're help though !
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:01 PM   #33
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I understand, that's the way I'm using mine (by-pass).....happy camping..
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:42 AM   #34
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I'm Mike Sokol, the author of the No~Shock~Zone article about Ground-Neutral bonding (thanks for posting it, Ray).

I've confirmed that this neutral bonding jumper plug works with the engineering staff at Progressive Industries, as well as "off the record" with Honda technical support. And as noted previously on this thread, "grounding" your generator with a ground rod in the earth will do nothing to correct this problem, and it's not really a safety ground at all. Nope, all safety grounds must connect to the ground-neutral bonding point, which as I've indicated in the linked article above, DOES NOT EXIST on many (most?) small portable generators. My simple G-N bonding plug will only cost a buck or two and take 5 minutes to make. Just be sure to jump from the Green (Ground) screw to the White (Neutral) screw on the Edison plug. The Neutral blade is the "taller" one in an American outlet.

Please send this link to anybody you know using a portable generator to power their RV: Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone

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I just finished creating my G-N bonding plug (cost me about $3) because my Champion 3500/4000 generator wouldn't work with my PI 50amp hard wired EMS system (P2 error - open ground code). After plugging in everything worked great and I can now use my EMS system with the generator. This is a great article, Thanks for sharing!
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:06 AM   #35
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I had the parts laying around and made an NG plug for my Honda 2000i. Worked great.

Ironically, I used to have a boathouse with a trace inverter (vintage 1992), and it would never work with the generator, and so now I know why.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:49 AM   #36
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We had the same problem with our Honda 2000i and the PI hardwired system. Originally started the pigtail system with the special instructions sent to us from PI, but had a hard time finding some of the parts.
We finally found another post on the jumper wire ground to neutral bond where someone suggests instead of a bonding wire to use a 100k ohm 1 watt resistor to help reduce safety issue onto ground. The Radio Shack part number is 271-152 and is listed at 100 ohm 1W 5% Metal-Oxide Film Resistor (2-Pack) | RadioShack.com
This worked great for us, and eliminated the open ground error on the PI when used with our Honda generator. We do not have to operate the PI in the bypass mode.
I won't be back home for another two weeks - I'll try to get some pictures online at that time.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:50 PM   #37
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I think the 100 ohm resistor fix is a bad idea. Please send me the link to the diagram to confirm, but I believe it will create a high-impedance ground that will fool the voltage protector into thinking there's a ground, but won't offer any real protection in the event of a ground fault event. But I can't be sure until I look at the circuit diagram.
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No diagram as far as I know, but found the information in another forum. I'm not by any means an electrical expert so I can't really comment on the difference in protection of the resistor vs a wire jumper.
Does the resistor offer less protection than the straight jumper wire or an equal amount of protection?
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:58 PM   #39
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I think the 100 ohm resistor fix is a bad idea. Please send me the link to the diagram to confirm, but I believe it will create a high-impedance ground that will fool the voltage protector into thinking there's a ground, but won't offer any real protection in the event of a ground fault event. But I can't be sure until I look at the circuit diagram.
I agree. Bad idea. Just use the jumper.
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Thanks for the advice. We'll go back to the wire jumper.
I have no idea why the poster put up the resistor or what it actually does. I'll see if I can find information from that source in the meantime to satisfy my curiosity on the reasoning.
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