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Old 07-20-2010, 10:27 AM   #11
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Remember the Wingman only helps improve the signals of UHF digital channels (most of the newer ones). The stock wings get VHF signals and the Wingman does nothing for them.

Also check the web site at www.antennaweb.org to see what is available in your area; Where to point the antenna (the arrow points to the broadcast antenna for THAT station); and the distance to the antenna.

UHF does not carry very far and digital is either all or nothing.
Being in a fringe area you may need more elevation (tower) or a stronger antenna than can be mounted on a mobile platform.

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I'm wondering something. I know when we are down at CGNHP that we can get WBIR-DT NBC station (10.1 & 2) clearer/sharper than most people get it that have cable. (they have said so!) But those are the only two that we get. Looking at the chart from the website it is a VHF station with a distance of 44.8 miles as the crow flies.

I'd be the happiest person on earth if I could get the ABC and CBS station out of Knoxville. Both are UHF stations and both are just slightly further (45.0 and 45.8) as the crow flies.

All are on just about the same Compass heading 208 and 209 degrees. With the set up that I have now without the Wingman, like I said what I do get is as sharp/clear as looking in person. Hummmm It's worth a try.
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:17 PM   #12
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That is an interesting website. It shows that I should get 5 channels, all about 17 miles away. In reality, I get 21 channels on my trailer antennae with the Wingman. If I remember correctly, I got 17 channels without the Wingman, but some of those were "pixelated"......that problem is a lot less now even with additional channels.
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:30 PM   #13
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Also check the web site at www.antennaweb.org to see what is available in your area; Where to point the antenna (the arrow points to the broadcast antenna for THAT station); and the distance to the antenna.
Thanks, Interesting site. It shows I should get two different Channels 39.1 & 18.1, but I get 15.1 & 15.2 (Which is in reality out of Poplar Bluff as a rebroadcast of Harrisburg)

K39CP-D39.1 TBN POPLAR BLUFF, MO 148°19.439
KPOB-DT18.1 ABC HARRISBURG, IL 148°19.415

I did get a TN station one time, but I think it was weather related.
It's interesting WSIL out of Harrisburg (34) does rebroadcast out of Poplar Bluff as KPOB but states the channel is 15.1 not 18.1.
Wish I could get the TBN station, but it broadcast at 20.6KW while KPOB is at 34.5KW and I can get it only sometimes.

Looks like I'm in a dead zone, and Thanks for the help.
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I carry a HD satellite dish and receiver. It works great, if I have a clear view of the southern sky. Last week at Lake Medina there were so many huge trees that was impossible. I had 1 good channel and 2 pixilated. I'm going to give the wingman a try. I think it would have helped.
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Well we got conned as well as our camping friends. Wingman is a waste of $$. Luckiily we only paid 22$ for it. Not worth driving back to Camping World to return it. Made ZERO improvement in reception. Really wondered how it could with no wiring connections.
Wingard has lost any confidence I had in them. Guess they can get away with this being the only game in town.
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:05 PM   #16
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Just installed the Wingman and rescanned. I did get better reception on several UHF and picked up 1 or 2 fuzzies that weren't there before. Somehow I failed to pick up 1 that I had before.

One thing I did discover is that as you raise or lower the antennae, the signal strength varies. One VHF channel would not give good reception with the antennae cranked all the way up, but when I lowered it a turn the reception was perfect.

I'm going to reserve final judgment until we take it on the road. My first impression is that we have had some improvement in signal strength, which was my main concern.
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Really wondered how it could with no wiring connections.
Without going into antenna theory, it works by magic and leave it go at that.

As to the only game in town there ARE other antennas out there.
Check out the link below for the King Controls Jack TV antenna replacement. It might work better for you in your situation.
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Well we got conned as well as our camping friends. Wingman is a waste of $$. Luckiily we only paid 22$ for it. Not worth driving back to Camping World to return it. Made ZERO improvement in reception. Really wondered how it could with no wiring connections.
Wingard has lost any confidence I had in them. Guess they can get away with this being the only game in town.
Man, Sorry to hear that!
I’m a firm believer.
In my driveway I got 6 digital channels.
After installing that thing, I was pulling in about 20.
Over July 4th weekend I was camping in Benton PA.
Before the switch I didn’t get any analog channels in Benton.
On this last trip I pulled in 9!

One of these days I have to reference one of those web sites that help you aim the antenna. No telling how many channels I’ll get.

Would like to add one more thing. The above is all moot, there’s still nothing to watch.
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We were camping at Letchworth State park in NY and ran scan before and after installation within 15 minutes as install was a snap. Digital tuner picked up approx 8 stations before and after and as one knows with digital tuning either you get it or you don't.
Not sure what you mean as to UHF and VHF as I thought the digital world eliminated that form of reception.
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Smile The Long answer and the short answer

There are still analog stations broadcasting on UHF bands and VHF bands.
There are digital signals being broadcast in the UHF band and the VHF band as well.

The frequencies have nothing to do with the form of the data being sent; it is just the carrier of the data being transmitted.

UHF stands for Ultra High Frequency wavelengths
VHF stands for Very High Frequency wavelengths

Both are still in use, its just you can cram a LOT more "digital channels" into the same space (wavelength) used by an analog channel.

If you go to www.antennaweb.org you MAY find analog channels still in use in your area. You will still need the "wings" on your RV antenna to pick up the VHF digital channels.

To answer why the Wingman "works without wires":

1) How the "OLD" antenna worked. The wings of the Winegard style antenna are directional VHF antenna lobes. (Think Rabbit Ears) The control head (the white box) contained a NON-directional loop antenna (Think that loop of wire that used to come free with a new TV back in the day) and a signal amp powered through the Coax from the wall plate controller (little button with green light).

2) Add Wingman and you make that non-directional loop directional by using those narrow to large elements to "bend" the incoming UHF signal like a magnifying glass to focus more RF energy onto that non-directional loop UHF antenna. The "Arrow head" of the wingman MUST point directly to the broadcast tower to be most effective.

HIGHLY recommended that you find out that heading and distance from www.antennaweb.org so you know where to point for a specific channel you want to watch.
There is a great mod that uses a circular protractor mounted in a ring around the crank to make pointing a snap once you spin it to "north" and mark the direction of the "arrow."

3) Again, it ONLY works to amplify UHF band signals. (However, since the majority of the newer channels are in the mostly unused UHF band, this is a good thing)

4) Since RF energy dissipates by the square of the distance from the source, UHF reception is local only by nature. VHF has longer range and can pick up stations further away.

5) since digital is "mostly" all or nothing, ANYTHING that amplifies the RF energy will allow you to "see" more displayable quality signals and thus more channels.

6) OR its f...'ing magic and leave it at that.
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