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Old 07-24-2010, 08:48 PM   #21
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It can be so sexy when you talk dirty like that. LOLOLOL
I like the magic explanation best.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:53 PM   #22
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I find if I do 3 channel searches, it can really maximize my available channels. After raising the antennae, I do the 1st search without turning the antennae. Then I will do an "add channel" search at 120 degrees either way of the 1st position. Then when flipping through the channels and I come to 1 that pixilates (is that a word ??) or "no digital signal", I know I need to rotate the antennae to tune that channel in.......it had to pick up something during my channel searches.
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It can be so sexy when you talk dirty like that. LOLOLOL
I like the magic explanation best.
I apologize for my language, but it is a Air Force "Technical Term" for a special kind of magic.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:58 PM   #24
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Your language does not offend this woman who spend her earliest years growing up next door to a Coast Guard Station. And speaks three languages fluently: Vulgar, profane and obscene.
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:01 PM   #25
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Your language does not offend this woman who spend her earliest years growing up next door to a Coast Guard Station. And speaks three languages fluently: Vulgar, profane and obscene.
My kinda girl!

Oh it was "Leaf-peeper"'s mod that used the protractor. Its in another thread on this very same subject.

Search "protractor" for a great photo of the mod almost to the bottom of the thread.

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Old 07-24-2010, 10:02 PM   #26
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We were camping at Letchworth State park in NY and ran scan before and after installation within 15 minutes as install was a snap. Digital tuner picked up approx 8 stations before and after and as one knows with digital tuning either you get it or you don't.
Not sure what you mean as to UHF and VHF as I thought the digital world eliminated that form of reception.
Looks like Lou covered all the bases on UHF and VHF, very thoroughly as usual. The main thing to remember about the Wingman is it only enhances the UHF ie. channels 14-83. It does nothing for VHF ie channels 2-13.
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Lou, I was talking to some friends last weekend that spend some of the winter in their trailer in Myrtle Beach. They were saying that they don't have any special setup to watch TV. Are they just watching what's left on the analog or can you pickup DTV w/ the "obsolete" antenna/TV combinations most of us have?

The reason I ask, I have yet to read anything positive anywhere on the 'net about the DTV converter boxes that are/were on the market.

The DTV transition starts next Aug' in Canada. So it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
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Lou, I was talking to some friends last weekend that spend some of the winter in their trailer in Myrtle Beach. They were saying that they don't have any special setup to watch TV. Are they just watching what's left on the analog or can you pickup DTV w/ the "obsolete" antenna/TV combinations most of us have?

The reason I ask, I have yet to read anything positive anywhere on the 'net about the DTV converter boxes that are/were on the market.

The DTV transition starts next Aug' in Canada. So it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Gosh where to start.

I guess "magic" won't work here.

I will limit this to "over the air" tuners and leave cable out of it.

There are primarily two types of over the air tuners in the US (Does Canada use PAL? - No idea but that would be three)

There is the NTSC tuner type (National Television Systems Committee) that is the previous standard by which Analog TV signals were broadcast. All "old" TVs and some newer "Digital Ready" TVs have NTSC tuners. They receive the 3-13 and UHF channels BUT not the new digital channels.

These TVs use the same outdoor antenna (as long as they receive UHF) as digital. There is NO difference between the old and new sets as far as the antennas go. As I posted earlier, the Frequencies of the broadcast did not change, just how the information was packaged and sent over that frequency.

In order to receive digital television signals on these older sets and "digital ready" sets, you must convert the new standard to the old NTSC one. More on these in a bit.

The NEW standard is called ATSC. (Advanced Television Systems Committee. The Digital Standard. ALL TVs made today have ATSC tuners in them (plus a cable one but that's another issue - remember "cable ready" blah blah) and can receive broadcast digital high definition (up to their maximum capability - there is more than one high def standard) from any over the air antenna that will receive VHF and UHF signals.

So, if your camper has a new set (almost all flat screens) with an ATSC tuner, your just crank up your 1983 Winegard antenna; turn on the TV; do a scan and channel 17.3 comes in clear as a bell.

BUT if you have a 1983 TV in there you have a problem. IT has a NTSC tuner. It does NOT receive ATSC signals. You just get SNOW.

So, what is a mother to do? You buy an ATSC to NTSC converter box for 50 bucks.

This becomes your new tuner. You set your old TV to your aux input, (the red yellow white phono plugs that your Atari plugged into) OR you set the TV to channel 3 or 4 and use the RF output of the converter box.

You get a brand new remote since you will be changing channels on the converter box from now on. The RV antenna now hooks up to the converter box, and it happily swallows that meaningless snow and turns it into TV channels again. Hello, channel 17.3 on the converter box.

Coby - ATSC Standard-Definition Converter Box - DTV102

So, long story longer, your friends from Myrtle Beach most likely had a new TV that has the new digital tuner in it. They literally did not have to do anything but turn it on; do a scan; and watch TV.

If they had an older set, they would need a box to get the new channels.

Whew...
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Even though my set was purchased last Jan' it's NTSC. When I'm in Indy, we usually have my satellite setup. Unfortunately if I'm on the road, I really don't want to get into using it if I'm only in 1 place for a night.

Maybe the converter boxes that will (maybe?) hit the market in Canada will be better.
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Even though my set was purchased last ja' it's NTSC. When I'm in Indy, we usually have my satellite setup. Unfortunately if I'm on the road, I really don't want to get into using it if I'm only in 1 place for a night.

Maybe the converter boxes that will (maybe?) hit the market in Canada will be better.
The US government offered a good deal to aid in the conversion. If you did not have a cable or Satellite decoder box, and got all your programming off the air, they sent two coupons worth 50 dollars each for the TDV converter boxes.

When the program was set up, the DTV boxes were 100-150 dollars depending on features (like on screen TV guide - the data is actually broadcast with the digital stream).

By the time it got close to the changeover, the price for the boxes had dropped to 49.99 plus shipping. So the boxes wound up costing about 5 bucks each delivered.

No good deed....

Oh as far as Canada... if you are currently NTSC; then these boxes will work just fine. There should be TONS of them on EBay since all NEW TVs come with ATSC tuners and the boxes are suddenly useless. Most folks down here have already bought at least one new flat-screen TV as the prices have dropped.
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