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Old 12-04-2013, 09:22 AM   #1
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:50 AM   #2
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Ain't it the truth...
Ah yes - the esteemed Flight Engineer. They better enjoy their status high ride while they can.

They're a vanishing breed.

I can't think of any newer civil aircraft used by U.S.airlines that require a FE station. The early 747's,DC-10,DC-8's,707's and 727's are all that come to mind.

I think the U.S.A.F.is even eliminating the position or combining it with the loadmasters - not sure.

Trivia question - did the early model 737's carry a Flight Engineer?

Trivia question - do any 737's require a Flight Engineer?
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:08 AM   #3
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Must be a pilot joke.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:13 AM   #4
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Must be a pilot joke.
Its alot like when I rolled into Goshen fair grounds!
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #5
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i had a captain when in the service, a former flight engineer(?). rumor had it he got transferred to supply when he said they were over the drop zone and dropped a jeep onto ronald mcdonalds play house at a mickey d's somewhere. thankfully, nobody was home at that particular hour.

maybe his job should have been reclassified as bombiader? or ... how to wreck a happy meal in 1 fell swoop.
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i had a captain when in the service, a former flight engineer(?). rumor had it he got transferred to supply when he said they were over the drop zone and dropped a jeep onto ronald mcdonalds play house at a mickey d's somewhere. thankfully, nobody was home at that particular hour.

maybe his job should have been reclassified as bombiader? or ... how to wreck a happy meal in 1 fell swoop.
That sounds more like a load master job - FE flies the plane sitting sideways.

Do they still use them on any current models or have they been replaced by Apple?
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:32 PM   #7
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That sounds more like a load master job - FE flies the plane sitting sideways.

Do they still use them on any current models or have they been replaced by Apple?
I guess that's a good question for Herk and he's offline right now.
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:12 PM   #8
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i imagine the loadmaster would need somebody to tell them when they are over their target. it isnt like a military plane has an abundance of windows. besides, enlisted/nco folks are usually the last to know anyway.

how is that saying .... i dont drive the train, i dont clang the bell. but let this thing jump the tracks and see who catches hell.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:48 PM   #9
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S-I-L was a C-141 FE/loadmaster. When the 141 was replaced by the C-17, which has all the glass-cockpit bells & whistles, the job just became a loadmaster. He was near enough retirement that he went with the very last C-141 squadron to the base near Trenton NJ, then left the service after 20 years.

The early 737's were certified to have a 3-person flight deck crew, though they didn't have a full F/E station. The "third pilot" monitored all the airplane systems through instrumentation on the overhead panel and the aisle stand. Douglas had the sense to make the DC-9 too narrow to accommodate an F/E and certified for two crew members.

Boy, is it different nowadays!
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Just only poking fun in an opposite manner. Herk might get a kick and I'm sure he has heard the joke before probably with his job.

I have been and still am a mechanic on C-130's which with the exception of the current J-Model C-130 are still using engineers. In this airplane, the engineer sits right in between the pilot and co-pilot but, slid back behind their seat.

I have a good friend who just retired as an engineer and he always used this joke.

"Do you know what the difference is between an engineer and a stage coach driver".....nothing they both sit behind two horses ___es"

I always got a kick out of it especially as there is often flight deck humor going on.

Herk, the person who always told that joke to me just retired lives in our area and had the initials DB. Short little guy who is always around airplanes.

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