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Old 12-07-2015, 06:02 PM   #321
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Uss belknap shows how "military grade" aluminum holds up in a fire. Her hull was metal, upper works aluminum.

The Ticos have another problem with aluminum, cracking. The USN has spent millions fixing massive cracks in their superstructure.

Another downside to using aluminum is the interaction of metal and aluminum.
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I've done a lot of aluminum work... but riveting a sailplane together is a different animal, altogether...
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Uss belknap shows how "military grade" aluminum holds up in a fire. Her hull was metal, upper works aluminum.

The Ticos have another problem with aluminum, cracking. The USN has spent millions fixing massive cracks in their superstructure.

Another downside to using aluminum is the interaction of metal and aluminum.
Must be bad because GM and RAM are both going to Aluminum body's in the near future.

It's all marketing. Ford bashed boxed frames on heavy duty trucks but is bragging about its 2017 using a boxed frame. GM and RAM will bash Aluminum until they make the obvious switch and then will 360 on themselves and praise it.
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Must be bad because GM and RAM are both going to Aluminum body's in the near future.

It's all marketing. Ford bashed boxed frames on heavy duty trucks but is bragging about its 2017 using a boxed frame. GM and RAM will bash Aluminum until they make the obvious switch and then will 360 on themselves and praise it.
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Aluminum, composite, and plastic oh my.

Its not about whats better or stronger. Its about maintaining the size that the truck buying public wants, and at the same time meeting government mandated fuel mileage requirements. Those are getting progressivly tighter as time gos on. You can only meet those mandates by making current sized parts lighter, or make them smaller. The way these arguments go about aluminum, who the hell wants to make the first plastic body truck lol? There is only so much mileage your'e going to gain in engines before you take the reliability and toss it out the window, or sacrifice power. No such thing as a free lunch. Why do you think GM is reducing powertrain warranty length for 2016? They know what sacrifices are going to be required in the near future and are attempting to ease the customer base into it.

You're seeing the beginning of the end of the full size pickup as we know it. It may take 15 or 20 years but thats the direction its going. Next on the hit list is the heavy duty trucks that have always been exempt from the mandates. That is changing. One of the things being discussed is requiring buyers to prove they have a legitimate need for a heavy duty truck. That will be a business need, not an RV or recreation need. Another thing mentioned is an "environmental tax". One of those taxes that even though you can afford it, it's so expensive you don't want to afford it. Hell, there are states attempting to tax the amount of miles you drive. Enjoy them while you can. Don't think that the RV Industry is going to lobby this away either. If the big 3 can't lobby it away neither can the RV manufacturers. Do you remember the Chevy Luv, Ford Courier, and the mini motorhomes on the Datsun chassis? That's where this is going eventually. The difference between back in the 70's and now is they will now cost 50K or more. Its going to be interesting full timing in a teardrop trailer.
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That's motivating! Wow. When I built my 440, I went for slightly more than stock Magnum specs.

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Dang. Y'all got me thinking of my old '68 road runner I had so long...never got the money to fix...I had a 440 .30 over. Torker intake. 1150 dominator. 4:30 gears. Crane 580/600 lift 268/278 split cam. 4500 Fairbanks converter...bla bla.

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Its not about whats better or stronger. Its about maintaining the size that the truck buying public wants, and at the same time meeting government mandated fuel mileage requirements. Those are getting progressivly tighter as time gos on. You can only meet those mandates by making current sized parts lighter, or make them smaller. The way these arguments go about aluminum, who the hell wants to make the first plastic body truck lol? There is only so much mileage your'e going to gain in engines before you take the reliability and toss it out the window, or sacrifice power. No such thing as a free lunch. Why do you think GM is reducing powertrain warranty length for 2016? They know what sacrifices are going to be required in the near future and are attempting to ease the customer base into it.



You're seeing the beginning of the end of the full size pickup as we know it. It may take 15 or 20 years but thats the direction its going. Next on the hit list is the heavy duty trucks that have always been exempt from the mandates. That is changing. One of the things being discussed is requiring buyers to prove they have a legitimate need for a heavy duty truck. That will be a business need, not an RV or recreation need. Another thing mentioned is an "environmental tax". One of those taxes that even though you can afford it, it's so expensive you don't want to afford it. Hell, there are states attempting to tax the amount of miles you drive. Enjoy them while you can. Don't think that the RV Industry is going to lobby this away either. If the big 3 can't lobby it away neither can the RV manufacturers. Do you remember the Chevy Luv, Ford Courier, and the mini motorhomes on the Datsun chassis? That's where this is going eventually. The difference between back in the 70's and now is they will now cost 50K or more. Its going to be interesting full timing in a teardrop trailer.

I'm afraid there is much truth to this. It's for our own good, of course
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Aluminum, composite, and plastic oh my.



Its not about whats better or stronger. Its about maintaining the size that the truck buying public wants, and at the same time meeting government mandated fuel mileage requirements. Those are getting progressivly tighter as time gos on. You can only meet those mandates by making current sized parts lighter, or make them smaller. The way these arguments go about aluminum, who the hell wants to make the first plastic body truck lol? There is only so much mileage your'e going to gain in engines before you take the reliability and toss it out the window, or sacrifice power. No such thing as a free lunch. Why do you think GM is reducing powertrain warranty length for 2016? They know what sacrifices are going to be required in the near future and are attempting to ease the customer base into it.



You're seeing the beginning of the end of the full size pickup as we know it. It may take 15 or 20 years but thats the direction its going. Next on the hit list is the heavy duty trucks that have always been exempt from the mandates. That is changing. One of the things being discussed is requiring buyers to prove they have a legitimate need for a heavy duty truck. That will be a business need, not an RV or recreation need. Another thing mentioned is an "environmental tax". One of those taxes that even though you can afford it, it's so expensive you don't want to afford it. Hell, there are states attempting to tax the amount of miles you drive. Enjoy them while you can. Don't think that the RV Industry is going to lobby this away either. If the big 3 can't lobby it away neither can the RV manufacturers. Do you remember the Chevy Luv, Ford Courier, and the mini motorhomes on the Datsun chassis? That's where this is going eventually. The difference between back in the 70's and now is they will now cost 50K or more. Its going to be interesting full timing in a teardrop trailer.



Also consider RV mfg's are also trying to reduce the weights of the RV's so as to allow more smaller trucks to tow them


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Also consider RV mfg's are also trying to reduce the weights of the RV's so as to allow more smaller trucks to tow them


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Aluminum, composite, and plastic oh my.

Its not about whats better or stronger. Its about maintaining the size that the truck buying public wants, and at the same time meeting government mandated fuel mileage requirements. Those are getting progressivly tighter as time gos on. You can only meet those mandates by making current sized parts lighter, or make them smaller. The way these arguments go about aluminum, who the hell wants to make the first plastic body truck lol? There is only so much mileage your'e going to gain in engines before you take the reliability and toss it out the window, or sacrifice power. No such thing as a free lunch. Why do you think GM is reducing powertrain warranty length for 2016? They know what sacrifices are going to be required in the near future and are attempting to ease the customer base into it.

You're seeing the beginning of the end of the full size pickup as we know it. It may take 15 or 20 years but thats the direction its going. Next on the hit list is the heavy duty trucks that have always been exempt from the mandates. That is changing. One of the things being discussed is requiring buyers to prove they have a legitimate need for a heavy duty truck. That will be a business need, not an RV or recreation need. Another thing mentioned is an "environmental tax". One of those taxes that even though you can afford it, it's so expensive you don't want to afford it. Hell, there are states attempting to tax the amount of miles you drive. Enjoy them while you can. Don't think that the RV Industry is going to lobby this away either. If the big 3 can't lobby it away neither can the RV manufacturers. Do you remember the Chevy Luv, Ford Courier, and the mini motorhomes on the Datsun chassis? That's where this is going eventually. The difference between back in the 70's and now is they will now cost 50K or more. Its going to be interesting full timing in a teardrop trailer.
That's OK since; I will keep my 2008 Dodge with the Cummins engine for another 20+ years. There are some members of Turbo Diesel Register that are still using the First Gen trucks to tow with and they are between 25 and 28 years old. By the time I wear out my 08; I will be to old to tow any ways.
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