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Old 01-14-2018, 11:36 AM   #1
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General Question is this too much for an F250 Diesel?

Sorry if duplicate, I had searched but failed to find my answers. Considering a 324 CG
New 2018 Keystone RV Outback 324CG Toy Hauler Travel Trailer at Big Daddy RVs | London, KY | #JB452428-IN
Tow vehicle 2003 F250 7.3 Diesel with 180K on it. Plan on replacing the transmission on my schedule so as not to break down in BFE.
Trailer weight 8,000 lbs
Garage weight 1,200 lbs bikes, tools spares etc. (FJR 1300, KTM 200)
Water and propane 600 lbs (wonít always carry water)
Everything else clothes food kitchen stuff ??? maybe 600 lbs?
Total trailer weight maybe 10,400
Truck bed, Generator, assorted spares, hitch 350
Truck weight 8,800
Me, Mama and dog 400
All in rig could weight 19,200

I have no experience towing trailers but have been towing boats for some time, 25 ft at 6500lbs total and truck behaves very well with that load. In general, I have several questions on moving up to a 36ft toy hauler.
Is 36ft total at 10,400 too much using a good WD with sway control for single axle F250?

Should I look at a smaller Toy hauler? I donít want to start too small and resale to move up but also do not want to go too big and be strapped to mega sites or have a vehicle that is too difficult to handle. I prefer to rely on the experiences of those who have been there done that instead of what the salesman tells me.


What am really asking is the number seem to fit but is getting to 10,400 lb trailer on a 03 F250 Diesel going to be uncomfortable to drive using a good WD and Sway control hitch? Is 37ft trailer too big, will it fit into many sites? Just, in general, am I biting off too much or should I look at some smaller Toy haulers? I do not want to rely on what the salesman tells me but on opinions of those who have towed various rigs and weights.

Thoughts or comments on what I have not thought of.
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:43 PM   #2
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I would guess you would be over your payload weight.

Your truck weighs #8800. Plus you and mom, the dog and a cooler plus gas likely #800. So the truck is ##9600. Max is likely #10,000. The hitch weight of likely #1500. Over payload by #1100.

Good question. Really good equalizer hitch?
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:01 PM   #3
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Personally I think that you are borderline on your rig but depends on how far and type area that you plan on traveling. ( Long trips / mountains etc.)
Hard to beat the 7.3 Fords weak link is the transmissions.

Looking at the listing you gave I would make sure that the camper has two ACs one for a 36 foot trailer is not enough in my opinion (We had a 36 ft 5th wheel toyhauler)

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Old 01-14-2018, 01:41 PM   #4
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Hard to say without all the info what is the payload capacity of your truck
Your looking at least 1500 pounds of young weight you said passengers is 400 lbs and another 350 in gear in the bed. So we are at 2250 lbs of cargo
More the likely you would be better off putting all the cargo in the camper. Toy haulers are toung heavy because they figure the weight is to be added to the garage
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:44 PM   #5
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Guys I stand a tad corrected.
Door tag says
GVWR 8800
GAWR 4800lb front
GAWR 6084lb rear

so am I correct in assuming the truck cannot weigh more than 8800 and each axle cannot carry more than listed
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I can carry up to the max on each axle regardless of total weight?

I did some checking and it seems that the F250 itself may weigh say 7400 lbs ( I will get it weighed) so does that mean I can not add more than 1400 lbs to the truck including weight applied by hitch? If that is the case it does not leave me very much room for hitch weight regardless of the amount I am allowed to pull.
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:57 PM   #6
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There should be a yellow tag that says cargo capacity
That is the difference between the gvwr and the weight of your truck
You can not exceed 8800 lbs
Axels are only one of several factors that make your gvwr
Frame brakes and suspension play a role also
Just because you swap in axles that can handle 8000 each doesn’t raise how much you can carry
Yes the dsl trucks have great towing but because of the weight of the engine it kills cargo capacity
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:20 PM   #7
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100% answer.

Load the truck ready to go with fuel and stop by a scale. Pilot etc. $14

Your trailer will likely be #1500. The toy area adds to the tongue weight a bunch. Add that to the truck weight. How much over the legal limit is OK?

The limit is the total or the axle weights. Both!
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:40 PM   #8
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Legally I think I have to rule the 324CG out. IF my truck weighs 7400 lbs I have only 1400 lbs for hitch weight, passengers and stuff in the truck. The listed tongue weight is 985 call it 1000. With the forward garage and putting 1100 lbs in there, I am almost certain my tongue weight would go over 1400 lbs. With a WD hitch I would likely not be over the individual axle weight rating but would exceed the 8800 GVWR.
Wow really Ford, a Diesel truck that can't pull a 10K trailer.

I expect if there ever was an accident and I was over GVWR I would be guilty of something.
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Your truck is able to pull more then 10k just not a tt set up. It will tow a 10’ plus hay wagon because it puts very little weight on the truck.

The problem is tounge weight the bare minimum is 10% of the trailer weight and once you get over 55 with that little tounge weight sway will start to take over

People want big heavy dsl engines in light duty trucks so the manufacturers make them. Heck My 99 suburban half ton could have had a dsl engine
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Ha! I had a half ton suburban with a diesel, that 6 something. Would not piss hard for a train load of them. Took the diesel out and put 454 in it. Ran great and with the right tire and gears got 17 mpg.
Anyway I see my dilema with the front side load toy hauler. I really do not want to go much smaller or change trucks, my truck is trusty, I like it and its paid for.

I wonder if a toy hauler that is rear garage would change my tongue weights much?
Check the specs on this;
https://www.funtownrv.com/product/ne...thss-583426-28
and notice where the axle is located and where the garage is. It seems that as I load the garage the tongue weight would drop. If I had the actual measurements is it simple math to see where the tongue weight would wind up?
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