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Old 03-14-2012, 01:51 PM   #31
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Curious as to why manufacturers don't claim to know what a "lightweight" camper is when they themselves use words such as "ultralite" "liteweight" "cruiselite" "xtralite" "hemisphere lite" "wildwood xlite" "minilite" - and those are just terms from Forest River! Keystone has "xlite" "superlite"...Jayco has "jay feather" "super lite"....you get the idea. There has to be some industry standard on what constitutes a "lightweight" camper or 5th wheel. Whether its the size/weight of the frame, etc., there has to be some specifics out there.
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:32 PM   #32
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Curious as to why manufacturers don't claim to know what a "lightweight" camper is when they themselves use words such as "ultralite" "liteweight" "cruiselite" "xtralite" "hemisphere lite" "wildwood xlite" "minilite" - and those are just terms from Forest River! Keystone has "xlite" "superlite"...Jayco has "jay feather" "super lite"....you get the idea. There has to be some industry standard on what constitutes a "lightweight" camper or 5th wheel. Whether its the size/weight of the frame, etc., there has to be some specifics out there.

That was the point I was making in an earlier post. Perhaps they're meeting to discuss this.

Where are you Wildcat Chris et al ?
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:43 PM   #33
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Curious as to why manufacturers don't claim to know what a "lightweight" camper is when they themselves use words such as "ultralite" "liteweight" "cruiselite" "xtralite" "hemisphere lite" "wildwood xlite" "minilite" - and those are just terms from Forest River! Keystone has "xlite" "superlite"...Jayco has "jay feather" "super lite"....you get the idea. There has to be some industry standard on what constitutes a "lightweight" camper or 5th wheel. Whether its the size/weight of the frame, etc., there has to be some specifics out there.
Actually, you've made my point exactly. There ISN'T any industry standard on what is considered "light weight." Every manufacturer and product line does it differently. It's a relative term -- and there's no set weights or other variables which constitute the term's meaning. Each manufacturers' weight class nomenclature is based on their own evaluation of specific trailers, most often relative to other products in their line up.

Obviously, weight ratings of tow vehicles help to define the terminology, but even that can be confusing. For instance, take a look at the info below on a 2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew with standard bed and 2WD (taken from Tow Ratings Database - Tow Vehicle Ratings | Camping Life Magazine).

Year - Make - Model ------------------------------------ Engine --------- Tow Limit
2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 5.0L V-8 ---------- 7900
3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio

2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 5.0L V-8 ---------- 9500
Requires heavy-duty payload package
3.73 axle ratio

2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 3.5L V-6 TC -------- 8400
3.15 axle ratio

2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 3.5L V-6 TC -------- 9700
3.55 axle ratio

2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 3.5L V-6 TC -------- 11300
Towing package required
3.73 axle ratio

2012 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Cab Std. Bed 2WD -------- 6.2L V-8 ---------- 11200
3.73 axle ratio

So, with a towing capacity of between 7,900#-11,300# (a 3,400 pound spread) on a half ton truck, it's difficult to have a STANDARD for the question: "what is light weight?" I've seen plenty of arguments here on the forum that would support this statement.

I can tell you that the lighter weight Wildcat (our eXtraLite line) fifth wheels are structurally built just like our standard Wildcat lineup and use 2" vacuum-bonded sidewalls, 5/8" tongue and groove joined plywood floors, and 10" I-beam frames (the exception being the shortest, 272RLX, which uses an 8" I-beam frame). The weight savings for our product is in shorter lengths, smarter design (better use of space), and limited "heavy/expensive" upgrade availability (for instance, Corian® countertops are NOT an available option because they're both heavy and expensive). This is our "light weight" lineup -- but at dry weights between 7,855# - 8,510# for the fifth wheels, some people here wouldn't call them light weights...

I hope you can respect the fact that I'm trying to be helpful and give some perspective. Like so many things in life, it's not always black and white...
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:22 PM   #34
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I preferably like the coors light in the tall boy model.
I'm pretty sure it won't handle a bike rack but I did mount a koozie on it with great success!
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:57 PM   #35
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Rugged Brown,

As long as Lippert uses steel in their frame cross braces no thicker than the cardboard roll in toilet paper, you can't expect a straight answer from a manufacturer. The most honest answer I have seen is the last one from Wildcat Chris. It used the word expensive twice. Which leads me to believe my first sentence is a pretty fair assumption. I can't blame the guys on here from Forest River for not wanting to answer your question, they have to protect their jobs in this economy.
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:02 PM   #36
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I hope you can respect the fact that I'm trying to be helpful and give some perspective. Like so many things in life, it's not always black and white...
Man, I could not have said it better.

Yet SO many people want it to be...
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:18 PM   #37
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I'll talk real slow. Can the manufacturers build a camper in the weight range Wildcat Chris refers to that can withstand the weight of a bike or two on its rear bumper, duh?

Please check one Yes or No
If yes,,,, why don't they?
If no,,,,, let's move on ?

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Old 03-23-2012, 08:26 PM   #38
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Wow Wildcat, how do they get a v6 to tow 11000 lbs? That's amazing if it's true. Is that the new Eco boost motor that I keep hearing about?
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herk I am still waiting for my popcorn eating smiley !
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:54 PM   #40
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Yes, that would be the new ecoboost engine Ford puts in the F150. That V6 produces more horsepower and torque than their 5.0 liter V8. Of course the F150 needs to have the heavy duty towing package to be rated for 11,300 of towing capacity.
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