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Old 04-24-2015, 02:53 PM   #131
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I see... they're an Outdoor RV brand. I've been looking at them online for some time, but they are just not available around here. The Blackstone I want has an MSRP of $61K... OUCH! I think I can get it within budget but with no dealers around, I'm not willing to buy it sight unseen... nor do I want to drive to Colorado to get it... and then back there to get it fixed if it does have a major problem. And like all other makers of RVs, these units DO have problems.
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Old 04-24-2015, 03:11 PM   #132
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Perhaps for some, but not for me. I seem to be the one screaming the loudest on this thread... and I did start it. My trailer has never been back to the dealer. It has had problems but I have repaired them. My major complaint is that, at first especially, I was spending about 1:1 time repairing to camping. I finally have the bugs worked out over 3 years, but holy cow... If I buy a new one, am I going to go through the same thing? Most assuredly... and that's my problem.
I think you will go through it all over again.

But thank god that you have the ability to fix it. I too am pretty handy and it saves me a ton of money around the house. I feel sorry for the people who are not handy and have to hire it out. What about retired people who just cannot do major heavy lifting repairs? These people buy a dream coach and find out it needs all this work or they just deal with it.

The Outdoor RV company I quoted earlier seems like a step in the right direction. Making a better quality product but not going crazy to overprice it out of peoples budgets.

I get the need for entry level RV's. Every consumer category needs an entry level player. I think what is lacking is a quality mid level player. It seems like all there is is mass produced RV's and custom made to order RV's. We need something in the middle like that Outdoor RV company seems to be.

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Old 04-24-2015, 05:14 PM   #133
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I'm hoping Grand Design becomes another mid-level company. They're not that far under Outdoors RV price wise, and the rigs look good. Their owner's forum is very positive. I'm looking at their Reflection TTs pretty hard right now. They have only 2 floor plans, and neither suits my needs, completely. They have just announced an expansion, so maybe more floor plans are in the works... I have about a year to get this figured out.
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Old 04-24-2015, 05:34 PM   #134
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I, too, have been one of the fortunate ones. My 2013 Flagstaff has had very few issues in the two years and 25,000 miles we have had it. What few issues I had I learned quickly my dealer did not give a rip about. So I fixed them myself. I will not go back there!
Some owners are not skilled in ways necessary to keep an RV up like others of us are.
I do believe though that FR could do a MUCH better job of choosing dealers and holding them to the job of servicing the customer, or send them packing. A lot of small issues cause owners to be duly frustrated because many dealers are exceptional liars.
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From what I have read, Turbs and many others take their units Goshen and have some things fixed by FR for free.... that is very fortunate indeed.

I need new axles.... Will FR put those on my unit for no cost......?

Don't think so, because THEY FR are cheap.
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Old 04-24-2015, 05:41 PM   #135
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From what I have read, Turbs and many others take their units Goshen and have some things fixed by FR for free.... that is very fortunate indeed.

I need new axles.... Will FR put those on my unit for no cost......?

Don't think so, because THEY FR are cheap.
Unless you've been to Goshen, how can you make a comment like that? AquaMan got new axles with a rubber duck attached.
Suggest you go and find out for yourself. You just might be surprised!
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Unless you've been to Goshen, how can you make a comment like that? AquaMan got new axles with a rubber duck attached.
Suggest you go and find out for yourself. You just might be surprised!
OC... I have been e-mailing and speaking to Wayne Bigler from FR on the phone for about a month. If he tells me that I will be MADE WHOLE by coming to Goshen... I will do that. My daughter is there in Mishawaka, so it would be a nice visit. FR could fix my freeken slide too......
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Goshen would be about 1200 miles each way for me...
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OC... I have been e-mailing and speaking to Wayne Bigler from FR on the phone for about a month. If he tells me that I will be MADE WHOLE by coming to Goshen... I will do that. My daughter is there in Mishawaka, so it would be a nice visit. FR could fix my freeken slide too......
Funny I don't recall those that I talked to that went to Goshen ever had to talk or email to anyone for a month to get anything done. Last year, we knew they would fix it based on the previous year. PLUS, we trusted what FROG Bob told us.
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Goshen would be about 1200 miles each way for me...
Make it a vacation like most of us did/do. You can't find a friendlier bunch of people including the managers, supervisors, technicians and campers.
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