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Old 08-30-2016, 10:45 PM   #281
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Epilog to this mess.... I finally got the right parts and graphics from Forest River, fixed and sold the Surveyor. We got the White Hawk I've been thinking about and happy to say that it's better than I expected... so far. As good as it seems now, I'm sure to be working on it sooner or later... but that's the RV industry for you. I sometimes wish I didn't enjoy this as much as I do. It's a disease.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:34 AM   #282
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Good that you bought the Jayco now. Now owned by Thor, it won’t be long until they do what FR does, ramp up production, leading to poor workmanship, at the same time begin to introduce inferior cheapest parts and componants out there…but you are right, this what we signed up for.
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:16 PM   #283
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O.K. I haven't read all this yet... but I will.

quote.. 90% of the issues people talk about in my humble opinion come form the unit being hauled 4000 miles at 85 mph buy someone who does not care. It arrives at a dealer who is paid good $$$ to check it out who does not do it and it gets sold to you.

I witnessed this over the weekend...trailer came flying by on I-30E 1T flat bed pulling a 5er. Had to be going 75-80 MPH. I was like dang he is traveling..then I realized what it prolly was.

Also.. Using an RV is kinda like driving a model A or real old car...you had to be a mechanic. I understand ALL the complaints...especially the ones where people "actually" have problems. I fear 2 things. 1st being tire failure(our fault for allowing cheap to dictate product availability). 2nd shoddy design or install of components that cause water damage. Tissue paper and aluminum aren't very durable materials.

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Old 09-03-2016, 10:56 AM   #284
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I would agree that some problems manifest themselves during the delivery run, and that the drivers generally don't care. I would have to disagree that the percentage is as high as you cite. In my opinion, most defects come from the pay methods most RV manufacturers use. These folks are paid by the number of units completed. As I have said earlier, that means if 2 screws are needed and there's a little problem, causing a distraction, you'll probably only get 1 screw. If there's a visible problem with a wall, it's going to get passed right along just like a perfect wall would. They don't stop and correct stuff, they just keep moving... and it won't change until we stop buying...
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Old 09-03-2016, 11:28 AM   #285
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Really not sure how we can blame much of the quality problems on the transport driver.
Fit & finish are assembly line issues.
Short term life of components (refrig, pumps etc) are a function of selecting low quality components in the first place.
I discovered a half full can of spray paint rolling around under bathroom floor of my Freelander. Clearly the transport driver didn't do that.

Concerning transport of RV from factory to dealer. I have seen cars transported in enclosed trailers or new cars with shrink-wrap so some car companies clearly feel their products deserve extra special care and they get to justify higher price for the car because the extra quality shows.
If RV companies actually cared about the quality of their products they would design them to survive normal use and would specify driving practice by transport driver rather than paying for the fastest possible delivery.

I think of the 12 v system as a good example. Car companies have developed and use 12 v wire, switches and connectors that are good for 100,000 miles. Why can't RV companies even get to 5,000? IMO because they simply do not care.
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I suppose unless something blows off the RV doesn't know or care how fast it is going. My only concern is tire damage from excessive heat/stress from excessive speeds.

If you are traveling 65 mph with a 30-40 head wind...how fast is the wind concern. My concern wasn't that.

I agree with you Tireman the components are cheaply made and poorly installed in some cases. I think the auto industry is held to a higher standard than most other consumer products. I suppose they are more afraid of attorneys.


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One thought ( no data) on transport driver speed and effect on tires.

While in the past all ST type tires had a max speed rating of 65 mph. Today many and hopefully soon all will carry speed rating of at least 75.

Another important item is the new TT are at their lightest weight. So assuming the tire/wheel supplier to the Rv company was inflating the tires to the tire sidewall inflation and the lighter weight of the RV it is conceivable that the damage tot he tires, if any, is minimal
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