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Old 04-15-2015, 09:46 PM   #71
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...like bundle and secure wiring running under the unit . it;s just poor workmanship and poor engineering
Definitely poor workmanship or training, but engineering has nothing to do with your example as the wires have to be run.
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:06 PM   #72
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Definitely poor workmanship or training, but engineering has nothing to do with your example as the wires have to be run.

The poor engineering shows through out these units the engineers should be forced to live in the units a few months and then go back to the drawing board . along with the poor workmanship . in the field a good worker that knows what he is doing can fix the bad engineering
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There are WAY less issues with new cars, any brand (except maybe a Yugo) then there are with a new RV trailer. I think it's due to no inspection process from a governing agency.
Here you have family's sleeping inside while camping and propane, electrical all within inches of each other. Also there is plumbing that can leak after traveling vibrations.
If the finish product, that is visible, looks like it was installed without care. Then what about the stuff you can't see in the walls and below carbonates.
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Would that be like whats under the stickers ?
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Old 04-16-2015, 10:17 PM   #74
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Too many people coming up with silly ideas and drinking way too much koolaide. The chances of an engineer or someone who builds a unit getting into a defective unit is most likely less then 2.5%. 90% of the issues people talk about in my humble opinion come form the unit being hauled 4000 miles at 85 mph buy someone who does not care. It arrives at a dealer who is paid good $$$ to check it out who does not do it and it gets sold to you.

Everyone here has a chance to pay 15K more for a base unit or 100K more for your higher end units compared to mass manufactured units and get the quality you want and choose not too. Stop complaining about it!

At the end of the day 95% of us would not have the RV unit we have if we needed to spend the extra money, be happy and go camping.
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Too many people coming up with silly ideas and drinking way too much koolaide. The chances of an engineer or someone who builds a unit getting into a defective unit is most likely less then 2.5%. 90% of the issues people talk about in my humble opinion come form the unit being hauled 4000 miles at 85 mph buy someone who does not care. It arrives at a dealer who is paid good $$$ to check it out who does not do it and it gets sold to you.

Everyone here has a chance to pay 15K more for a base unit or 100K more for your higher end units compared to mass manufactured units and get the quality you want and choose not too. Stop complaining about it!

At the end of the day 95% of us would not have the RV unit we have if we needed to spend the extra money, be happy and go camping.
it's drinking koolaid to expect good workmanship ? 95% of the issues it seems start at the factory . 25 grand for a traveler trailer is not chump change . things won't change until the customer starts to require it . now maybe you have no problem paying 100 g for a less then quality unit .Just because a unit is base does not mean it should be put together badly.
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it's drinking koolaid to expect good workmanship ? 95% of the issues it seems start at the factory . 25 grand for a traveler trailer is not chump change . things won't change until the customer starts to require it . now maybe you have no problem paying 100 g for a less then quality unit .Just because a unit is base does not mean it should be put together badly
Totally Agree 100%!
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it's drinking koolaid to expect good workmanship ? 95% of the issues it seems start at the factory . 25 grand for a traveler trailer is not chump change . things won't change until the customer starts to require it . now maybe you have no problem paying 100 g for a less then quality unit .Just because a unit is base does not mean it should be put together badly
Another round of koolaide for everyone!

The ones not put together by "monkeys" cost ya more, having it put together by someone being paid $8.00 an hour makes it so 95% can afford it. 25k is chump change when it comes to these units, even the 40k I dropped on my sandpiper is chump change. I could have spent 349k on a New horizons with the same floor plan but I chose not too....
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Sorry, it's all salted and heavily buttered with REAL butter!
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