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Old 07-14-2016, 11:15 AM   #21
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Personally the last thing I would ever want to do is be packed tight into some wide open Indiana fairground, in the middle of the hottest month of the year, but if that's what floats your boat have at it. I certainly do not expect anything for free as that's never been my style.
Point of clarification. The FROG Rally in Goshen is much more than maintenance. The seminars, how to sessions, vendor areas, side trips and the opportunity to meet owners of the same RV you have - and other Forest River Owners in general is - for us at least - the BIG draw to the Rally.

Yes they fix your rig at no cost - a decided plus - especially last year: The tech noticed that our DS wall was delaminating We still work and we could not stay after to have the wall replaced. So, what did Forest River do? had a transport company com to our house, get the 5er, take it to Goshen., replace the wall (and several other components they discovered as well) and transport the 5er back to our home in Alabama. That my friends is customer service! And a good reason to attend the rally

Then again, if you are not already registered, you won't be attending this year: the rally sold out within 48 hours of opening
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:25 AM   #22
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Personally the last thing I would ever want to do is be packed tight into some wide open Indiana fairground, in the middle of the hottest month of the year, but if that's what floats your boat have at it. I certainly do not expect anything for free as that's never been my style.

When I went down the Rockwood road I did not anticipate the 6/7 month journey it would take to get something delivered in an acceptable enough condition that I would actually buy it. I especially can't wait for the part of the editorials telling how the consumer is partly to blame.

As far as our Rockwood, we got through our 2nd outing with it, a 10 nighter, without anything breaking. That's sort of a bonus I guess.
With the attitude you displayed in this post I have to wonder why you even own an RV. If I were that disgusted I would stay in rental cabins and motels rather than a camper.

BTW, the rally in Goshen is about meeting and making new friends. I look forward to it every year and have a great time. I’m thinking you might prefer the hermit style camping rather than have fun and meet new RVers.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:06 PM   #23
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With the attitude you displayed in this post I have to wonder why you even own an RV. If I were that disgusted I would stay in rental cabins and motels rather than a camper.

BTW, the rally in Goshen is about meeting and making new friends. I look forward to it every year and have a great time. I’m thinking you might prefer the hermit style camping rather than have fun and meet new RVers.
For some folks, this is a part of the experience. For others (myself included), it's simply about the travel and the sightseeing. I don't consider myself a hermit and I certainly enjoy talking to others at various campgrounds around the country - but that is very much secondary and not at all a goal. Personally, I don't need the meet and greet part of RV'ing to enjoy it. I want a comfortable and reliable means to travel and sleep. Given the money we spend on these things, that should be routine - but in many cases, it is not.
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Somehow, as usually happens, this thread has turned into a personal attack. As a reminder, the original reference to Goshen was that it should not be necessary to have to drag your rig that far to fix what are often times issues that were created by the manufacturer, if not created by, certainly part of their fiduciary custody & control.
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:01 PM   #25
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My only issue with the article was "a 360 Siphon is an effective $10 part that can eliminate RV odors". most mfgs don't use

#1, Dynamax has them standard on all models.
#2. Certain people still debate their effectiveness. So its not like its some "no brainer" that would be asinine and negligent not to install. Maybe its a gimmick...but for $10 I suppose we'll take the chance.
#3. That "low cost siphon 360" just happens to be a LCI product...which he bashes later.

While I don't think the heart of the article is far off, there are way too many personal opinions that seem to comes across as stating fact.

"People who develop interior and exterior decoration schemes for RVs must all graduate from the same designer school. Can anyone else explain why they all look almost identical regardless of manufacturer or brand". (We build what sells) I'd love to do a unit with white wood cabinets, dark floors and medium counter. Popular in residential, risky for RV's that tend to navigate towards "safe and reliable"

OK, so maybe not my only issue.

"But, the (supplier) companies get a bad reputation when the products fail when used by consumers. When that happens, who gets the blame for “making junk?” It’s not the RV manufacturer, that’s for sure. The company name on the refrigerator pays the price for product failures."

Not sure I agree...I think there are posts on here right now I can link to where the customer says specifically "I don't care what is on the part...we bought a Dynamax and its up to you to stand behind (their product) it".

Says no one in RV management can name a "blogger". I actually follow several.
No one participates with retail customers. I think the quantity of posts proves otherwise. (It doesn't prove that I don't suck at it, but at least it proves we try)

While I know there are exceptions to every rule and its just a general post about the state of the industry...I find it interesting that he specifically names Grand Design as a positive.
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:21 PM   #26
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". (We build what sells) I'd love to do a unit with white wood cabinets, dark floors and medium counter. Popular in residential, risky for RV's that tend to navigate towards "safe and reliable"



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My only issue with the article was "a 360 Siphon is an effective $10 part that can eliminate RV odors". most mfgs don't use

#1, Dynamax has them standard on all models.
#2. Certain people still debate their effectiveness. So its not like its some "no brainer" that would be asinine and negligent not to install. Maybe its a gimmick...but for $10 I suppose we'll take the chance.
#3. That "low cost siphon 360" just happens to be a LCI product...which he bashes later.

While I don't think the heart of the article is far off, there are way too many personal opinions that seem to comes across as stating fact.

"People who develop interior and exterior decoration schemes for RVs must all graduate from the same designer school. Can anyone else explain why they all look almost identical regardless of manufacturer or brand". (We build what sells) I'd love to do a unit with white wood cabinets, dark floors and medium counter. Popular in residential, risky for RV's that tend to navigate towards "safe and reliable"

OK, so maybe not my only issue.

"But, the (supplier) companies get a bad reputation when the products fail when used by consumers. When that happens, who gets the blame for “making junk?” It’s not the RV manufacturer, that’s for sure. The company name on the refrigerator pays the price for product failures."

Not sure I agree...I think there are posts on here right now I can link to where the customer says specifically "I don't care what is on the part...we bought a Dynamax and its up to you to stand behind (their product) it".

Says no one in RV management can name a "blogger". I actually follow several.
No one participates with retail customers. I think the quantity of posts proves otherwise. (It doesn't prove that I don't suck at it, but at least it proves we try)

While I know there are exceptions to every rule and its just a general post about the state of the industry...I find it interesting that he specifically names Grand Design as a positive.

Thanks for posting, it's interesting to get the thoughts of someone in the industry in regards to the articles.

Why do you find it interesting that he mentions Grand Design as a positive? I have so far met 3 different people at campgrounds with G.D. products and every one was not only ecstatic with the rig, but with the service, support, communication, and the dealer. I may of looked more into G.D. myself but they do not offer a hybrid.
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The interesting thing about the article is that this article could have been written in 1988 many of the same issues...... but actually our older Terrys 1973 and 1988 were actually manufactured with less quality components than our 2006 and 2013 Pumas are / were.

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I love the looks and floor plan of the Windjammer 3008. Someday if we could afford it I would love to get one. But with all the negatives about the newer RV's it makes me wonder if I should think about getting a newer one. We bought our tt in april 2010 and use it a lot. I haven't had any problems. Have only had to do maintenance-resealing, brakes, tires and 1 awning spring.
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Only interesting in that he mentions one positive by name. (that I noticed)

He groups everyone into his one-size-fits-all assumptions, but makes an exception in this one case. I'm just not sure how much actual research went into this other than word of mouth.

Things like that make me question motive. One time, another "RV Industry" site, did a HUGE article on the resurgence of Class C motorhomes. Went through all the brands except one. Mentioned Fleetwood 4 times. At the time of the article, Fleetwood had retail sold 150 Class C motorhomes (after bankruptcy, and really the opposite of resurgance) . Sunseeker, which was the #1 retailing Class C at the time had sold about 1700 motorhomes. Not one time did he mention Sunseeker in the article. When I called out the publisher for the omission...he tried to say it was a contract article and the guy maybe didn't do the research that was needed, then admitted that it was basically because Forest River did not advertise with them. They had asked us several times, but we refused and he was tired of giving free publicity. Mind, you this is a publication that claims to be a news source for RV professionals.
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