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Old 07-15-2016, 11:00 PM   #61
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Around here, bookings open in April.

If you don't book, within the first hour of opening, you're sol for pretty much the whole summer.


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Old 07-15-2016, 11:08 PM   #62
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FL has some great Claass A CGs but I sold it for a 5er. Many parks are like sardine cans. Many are left over from the 60s and 70s. A camper of over 30' with opposing slides can have a hard time in many. The number of snowbirds increases as does the cost annually. We make sure we have reservations prior to departure or it will be tough to find anything acceptable.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:35 PM   #63
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The RV manufacturers are where the US auto companies were in the 1970's. The only thing that will improve them is someone like the Japanese coming in with better quality RV's for less money. That's what forced the Big 3 auto companies to improve their quality.

The problem is that there is no such competitors at this point, nor in the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:46 AM   #64
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IMO,

This installment pushes the envelope.

The author has made some good points mixed in with many personal perspectives. The articles are not leading to enlightened discussion but to divisive points.

Pay parks? People vote with their feet. They will stop going there if it is bad.

State parks, I am in Illinois , they do the best they can with what they have. I know several camp hosts and yes, a couple of them will knock on your door, others will not. None I have seen get offensive. Pay your bill as prescribed in the park rules on time.

I am sure everyone has seen over-nighters cruze in late and bug out early, so not to pay. Those are the leaches.

Just a knee-jerk response...

I have to agree with you, especially when it comes to state parks, state and national forests, etc. Most of these were thought of and build 60 to 70 years ago when the idea of a 40 ft motor home or even a 26 ft trailer weren't even on the mind of RV manufacturer's yet.

I get the drift that this guy is dead set against actually camping and feels that the wilderness should be turned into city life for his own personal pleasure. Why is it that everyone needs to stay connected 24 hours a day. is it because they use the internet as a baby sitter instead of actually spending time with their children exploring nature, the great outdoors, and letting their children understand what life was like when their great grand parents were growing up.

Calling setting up ones RV in an RV Resort is about as different from real camping as a pig is from cow.

Yes the amenities and comfort of an RV work wonders on ones 64 year old body instead of sleeping in a tent with nothing more between you and the ground than a foam pad, but you can have that comfort and get into most state and federal campgrounds an RV under 30'.

Each and every person has their own definition on what camping is, but instead of finding places that fit that definition. This guy seems to feel that every campground in the nation should change to suit his definition.

If you've got a extended cab dually pulling a 45' 5er, don't waste your time trying to get into most state parks cause u ain't gonna fit, plain and simple.

If you decide to travel in a 45' diesel pusher that has 7 slide-outs, needs 50 amp service, water, and sewer hookup, or god forbid a "residential Refrigerator" that needs 110 volt electricity all the time in order to work, don't even waste your time trying to stay at a primitive campground and force others to put up with your generator running all night, cause in the morning you may never make it out of the campground, you will have made so many enemies.

The solution is really simple.

If you want the primitive lifestyle, buy the equipment that will work.

If you want to stay at state and national parks, buy the equipment that will fit.

If you want to "camp" in a Traveling hotel suite fine, plan on staying on places that it will fit instead of complaining how the state parks, national forests, and small mom and pop private camps won't upgrade their services to suit the lifestyle choice you made.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:11 AM   #65
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So I was reading Greg's latest installment earlier this morning, and wondered if anyone here in the forums was following along. When I arrived here I should not have been mildly surprised to find a thread going.

While we may differ with some of the minutiae in the blog, I think it is great that someone is publicly posting about the elephant/dinosaur in the room.

I will continue to follow along with Greg and in this thread with great interest.

If we meet in Goshen, this could be a lively topic!

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Old 07-16-2016, 06:26 AM   #66
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I have to agree with you, especially when it comes to state parks, state and national forests, etc. Most of these were thought of and build 60 to 70 years ago when the idea of a 40 ft motor home or even a 26 ft trailer weren't even on the mind of RV manufacturer's yet.

I get the drift that this guy is dead set against actually camping and feels that the wilderness should be turned into city life for his own personal pleasure. Why is it that everyone needs to stay connected 24 hours a day. is it because they use the internet as a baby sitter instead of actually spending time with their children exploring nature, the great outdoors, and letting their children understand what life was like when their great grand parents were growing up.

Calling setting up ones RV in an RV Resort is about as different from real camping as a pig is from cow.

Yes the amenities and comfort of an RV work wonders on ones 64 year old body instead of sleeping in a tent with nothing more between you and the ground than a foam pad, but you can have that comfort and get into most state and federal campgrounds an RV under 30'.

Each and every person has their own definition on what camping is, but instead of finding places that fit that definition. This guy seems to feel that every campground in the nation should change to suit his definition.

If you've got a extended cab dually pulling a 45' 5er, don't waste your time trying to get into most state parks cause u ain't gonna fit, plain and simple.

If you decide to travel in a 45' diesel pusher that has 7 slide-outs, needs 50 amp service, water, and sewer hookup, or god forbid a "residential Refrigerator" that needs 110 volt electricity all the time in order to work, don't even waste your time trying to stay at a primitive campground and force others to put up with your generator running all night, cause in the morning you may never make it out of the campground, you will have made so many enemies.

The solution is really simple.

If you want the primitive lifestyle, buy the equipment that will work.

If you want to stay at state and national parks, buy the equipment that will fit.

If you want to "camp" in a Traveling hotel suite fine, plan on staying on places that it will fit instead of complaining how the state parks, national forests, and small mom and pop private camps won't upgrade their services to suit the lifestyle choice you made.

Very well said.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:46 AM   #67
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X2 I am completely blown away at the difference between a Berkshire and our previous 5er - I had NO idea. Sorry if this offends some but it is what it is.
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Sounds like the author of the RV series is a Thor owner. Been there, done that......(7 trips to the repair shop in 18 months of ownership!)
Thank God for our well built Forest River Berkshire! We have seen the promise land! RVing is fun once again!!!
No offense but if you guys want to have some sort of Berkshire lovefest and sing kumbaya about them, you may get more backup singers over in the Berk sub forum.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:49 AM   #68
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When I look at the situation as a whole picture, I can have some understanding of the point of view of the manufactures. However, what I do not get are the small areas where it would cost almost nothing, (and I know I have no understanding of the process so I could be way off base), to make some changes. For example, when a cut out is made for a vent in the sheet metal, does it really cost that much to pre-cut the pieces with a uniform cut so that it is not like someone cut it with a pair of dull tin snips? Or, if you are doing a cut out on the panel lining the bathtub can those not be pre-cut with screw holes that are uniformed and look like they belong? After all, how much would a simple template cost that will be used over the build of 2,000 units?

I guess I might go back and at least take a look at the thoughts of Henry Ford. He did manage a pretty good 26 year run of a product.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:55 AM   #69
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Is this ever true

When we had the generator failure on our first big outing - couldn't get any help from FR, Cummins or any FR dealer anywhere near Oshkosh, WI - where we were at the time.

When we finally did get back to Georgia, the dealer recommended by FR would not work on the other issues we had - because we had not purchased from them. Found another dealer - they were a month out. Made an appointment, dropped off vehicle and waited another month for them to fix ONLY the generator tailpipe. They re-used the old, beat up tailpipe and the beat up clamp (they had dragged on the ground for miles).

Our first outing yesterday, done as a test run before going out of town - the tailpipe separates again. Is it that hard to properly attach a tailpipe to a muffler?

It's no wonder many of us are frustrated and generally angry at the manufacturers and the dealers. I'm tired of fixing everything myself - because the build quality and/or component quality was so poor and the dealers in my area are generally incompetent.
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Old 07-18-2016, 07:28 AM   #70
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Our first outing yesterday, done as a test run before going out of town - the tailpipe separates again. Is it that hard to properly attach a tailpipe to a muffler?

It's no wonder many of us are frustrated and generally angry at the manufacturers and the dealers. I'm tired of fixing everything myself - because the build quality and/or component quality was so poor and the dealers in my area are generally incompetent.
Short answer, when you try to reuse a broken or compromised part, yes... My Aunt wanted to buy an RV so she could join us camping and bring along the grandkids. She is handy and not afraid to fix things but not as spry as she used to be. She would need to hire someone to help with the upkeep. I used examples like this to convince her to stick with renting a trailer when she wants to join us instead of buying. Yeah the finishes aren't as nice but the lack of maintenance more than makes up for it. I'm sorry to hear about your pains KatanaPilot.
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