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Old 11-24-2016, 02:06 PM   #11
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Cool quality control

The quality control needs overhaul at least in the rv industry.
we bought our first NeW trailer this summer, its still at the dealers. P poor quality control. ligget frames the drum was not turned enough for the dust cap to go on so a hammer fixed it.. smashed it on, Cold water in the shower hose was kinked behind the wall and only trickled out.. couch had sharp edges on mechanism and cut the cushions before our one and only trip so far. brnd new switch for rear stabilizers was bad. Airconditioner will not cool the trailer in 80 degree temps..thats only one trailer, did they actually check anything before pulling it out thru the door.. The person who smashed the dust cap knew they did it.. the person stuffing the hose kinking it knew it.. person putting shower drain pan knows its not lever or above the drain... and none of this was checked prior to shipment..Guess Id be a tyrant if I was the boss with people looking for work.. or maybe the middle man is making too much.. on a 48,000 dollar trailer..
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Old 11-24-2016, 02:13 PM   #12
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Very Interesting (about who owns FR)

You make a good point Gordon, but it sure seems like quality of trailers has gone way down since I bought my mine back in 2010. At least that is the impression I get by reading posts on this forum. May, or may not be related to company ownership, no way to know. I believe FR was bought back in 2005.


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Old 11-24-2016, 03:13 PM   #13
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And now Winnebago just bought Cross Roads to add to the Sunnybrook and Grand Design.

What next?
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:41 PM   #14
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And now Winnebago just bought Cross Roads to add to the Sunnybrook and Grand Design.

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Where did you find that info? Crossroads is a Thor Industries brand.
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Old 11-24-2016, 04:25 PM   #15
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I maybe wrong about Crossroads. I had heard earlier this month that Winnebago had bought them and then read in the December Trailer Life that Winnebago had bought Grand Design. There may have been some confusion about the two brands.
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:09 PM   #16
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Very interesting to find out that Warren Buffet is overall CEO of Forrest River...didn't he have his hand in the housing bubble??


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As others have pointed out, he owns Berkshire Hathaway. And as one pointed out, he wouldn't give a rat's ass about what you think or the quality of his product. He also "owns" GEICO. Their company was into me for $80k in legal support work and all they could do was keep telling me to send the invoices again, or the insurance adjuster had moved on. I had to play "hardball" with them to finally get paid.
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:21 PM   #17
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Our Forest River Berkshire 34QS motorhome has a proud notation by the door that FR was a sub of Berkshire Hathaway.

For me, the fact that FR is a Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary was a plus for me, because Warren Buffet makes his investments for the long run. He doesn't buy companies to drive them into the ground. If FR management started making silly decisions that damaged the brand and the value of my RV, Warren would step in and fix the management problem.

BTW, Buffet was certainly not a cause of the 2007-08 mortgage meltdown. But, when the investment bank Goldman Sachs needed some credibility (and a lot of fingers were pointing at them) and some cash, he bought a bunch of 10% preferred shares from them. That investment gave them the same kind of credibility that FR gets from his ownership.

I'm sure that all of you retirees who are looking for steady investment income will know that 10% is an awfully high rate of return these days.
Yes, investment for growth but not dividends. Buffet buys companies that dispensed dividends to its stockholders and then the dividends stop, thus depriving the US Treasury of billions of dollars in revenue. So if you're looking for dividend income, Berkshire Hathaway is NOT the company to invest in.
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:36 PM   #18
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Peter Liegl was CEO of just another sinking RV manufacture during the Great Recession. His leadership was rocked with much internal scandal and many questions of his personal ethics and allegations of misconduct.It had become so bad, he had announced his planned retirement and named his successor.He was all but out the door, when Warren/Berkshire rode in as a white knight and bought FR, he quickly rescinded his retirement and fired his planned successor, civil suit soon followed.
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:46 PM   #19
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Warren Buffet has to be one of the most respected business leaders in the world!
He is very involved with the businesses he
buys and operates . His business model
always promotes a quality operation over
profit draining.
Forest River sets that model of trying to
manufacture a quality product at a "fair"
price and take care of the customer when
at all possible and within reason.
It is unfortunate your experience has been
so negative.
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I don't know, but I do know this, the first company to tackle build quality will be the grand winner, build fewer, build them right . I have had amazing custom service from FR. But let's get it right the first time.
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