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Old 06-17-2013, 08:07 PM   #21
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My wife and I looked at the hybrids liked the idea. Then I reached into the tent side from the out side. Didn't seem bear safe or safe for my kids from drunks at the parks. I Like a wall between my girls and the outside world. But better than a popup.

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Old 06-17-2013, 08:33 PM   #22
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we've had our 23SS for over 6 years now and still love it!!
no leaks and very few issues.

but as others said, hybrids aren't for everyone. your problem is that you like the tent ends and Momma doesn't. better to make Momma happy.

because all the floorspace and sleeping space in a smaller package end up not mattering, if you don't love the idea of sleeping under canvas!
if you love that, then the few negatives of the canvas ends will not matter. we do love sleeping under canvas and still feel that our hybrid is the perfect trailer for us, even after 6+ years.

too many buy hybrids attracted by other things, instead of really considering dealing with the canvas.
temp control can be achieved by using PUGs or the generic solar blanket versions and Reflectix in the windows.
but setting the ends up in the rain or putting them away wet, only to have to open them up to dry, when you get home and that noisy neighbor in the next site, will drive many to selling their year-old hybrid.

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Old 06-17-2013, 08:51 PM   #23
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We had a Popup last year and were considering moving to a new one. We went to a camper show and found the hybrids. We found one we really liked and were considering it when we found the Shamrock 25RS hybrid. It gives you lots of room with hard sides on the slides. In my opinion it is the best of both worlds! We purchased it in February and have been camping in it at least 15 nights not counting camp driveway! I do not regret it at all! We spent more money, but I love being able to walk out, load up and pull out. It has been a great upgrade for us and we love ours.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:08 PM   #24
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Like most things, there are pluses and minuses, and personal preferences and needs. Here's what our analysis was.

Hybrid Pluses: Lighter, often more floor space, more like real camping, less tow vehicle required (on average)
Hardside Pluses: Quieter, more secure (people, bears), easier to heat/cool, no worries about putting things away wet, less likely to leak,

We ultimately went hardsided because we boondock in the national forests. Bears etc can be a real issue. And I like the quiet.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:13 PM   #25
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I had a hybrid and it was the worst 4 months I have had owning a rv. Beds were uncomfortable, etc.....! I think a full hard side is a much beter. Just my opinion!
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:30 PM   #26
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We went to a camper show and found the hybrids. We found one we really liked and were considering it when we found the Shamrock 25RS hybrid.
the 25RS is not a Hybrid. a hybrid TT has to have canvas ends, like a popup does.
your trailer is an Expandable but has no canvas, therefore is not a hybrid, combining a popup with a travel trailer.

rear hard-sided bed slide TT's are no different than regular TT's except the slideout is on the rear instead of the slide.
Forest River finally had the sense to move them to the regular TT section, instead of the Hybrid section on their website.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:53 PM   #27
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We started with tents, which were ok, moved to a PUP, which we loved, and currently are starting our 3rd summer with our hybrid (Roo 21SS), which we love even more. We have not had any major issues with our Roo. We do a little bit of weekend camping at state parks, and the hybrid is very easy and quick to setup, so it is not a hassle for short trips. We also do a 2 1/2 - 3 week trip to the mountains every summer. (Leaving next week for this year's trip!) Our favorite CG has a creek adjacent to it and there is nothing like being able to hear it through the canvas at nap or bed time. The sound of rain on the canvas is also quite relaxing, if it is not a torrential storm! We have not had any problems with the canvas leaking, even in heavy rainfall. We always have a vent open, thanks to MaxxAir covers, so we have also never had condensation problems. Yes, it does get cold in the bunk ends at night in the mountains, even with PUGs, but there are easy ways to fight that battle. We rarely use the furnace due to battery conservation, and it does little to nothing to heat the bunk ends anyways. I have 12 volt bunk warmers (like truck drivers use in their cabs) that I pre-heat the beds with briefly before bedtime. It uses very little power. That seems to keep the DW happy because she goes to sleep warm. Personally I like it cold, so I am in heaven. The few times we have been camping in hot weather it is hard to keep cool in the bunk ends, even with the AC running, but it has not been completely unbearable yet. We have stopped overnight at a KOA a few times in route to our destination, and you can hear your neighbor's every move through the canvas; however, this was not camping, it was just a place to sleep along the way. The places we like to camp have ample space between sites. Personally I would never camp anywhere where my neighbors were within spitting distant, so this noise issue is not a real problem, just a temporary inconvenience at the most on those rare occasions that we find ourselves in close quarters.

The stock mattresses are a little uncomfortable, but we use memory foam toppers and sleep very comfortably.

Last year it was raining when we arrived in the mountains, so setup was a bit of an adventure, but no big deal. Had to wait for a lull to unhitch, and then we were able to hang out "turtled" inside for awhile until the next lull. Fastest bed setup I have done so far! Opening up the beds only takes a few minutes, and should be even faster with the newer models that have the canvas permanently attached to the bunk door. I waited until the next day to attach my PUGs. It also rained the night before our departure, so I had to fold up the beds a little wet. If you fold up the bunks properly, the outside of the canvas does not touch the mattress, so you don't really have to worry too much. I just made sure to open them back up right away when we got home to let them finish drying.

We looked at TTs as well, and there were several that we liked a lot. We decided on our Roo specifically for the canvas bunks and tons of floor space for the three of us and our 5 small dogs in an easy to tow, relatively short trailer length.

That is my experience with hybrids for what it is worth. I am sure we will eventually "upgrade", but for now we are happy.

Good luck with your decision!
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:30 AM   #28
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We just migrated from a Starcraft SST Toy hauler to a TT and I have to say I am sleeping much better.
I really liked the Starcraft more flexible camping options.
As we are getting more mature "not older" we found we spend time at the campgrounds rather than dry camping.

Made some mods to the beds for the hybrid sleeping bag mats were a great addition.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:18 AM   #29
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My DW and I had this conversation just this weekend. She loves the tent ends and let me know that a TT or MH is going to be a tough sell .

I like the hybrids, too, and do not regret it. Its just more work on my end with the setup and take down but that is becoming less of an issue now that the kids are old enough to help with the bunk ends.

You've heard a lot of comments for and against them, so I will just list our top pros and cons:

Our main pros for our hybrid (233S):
  • Like sleeping under canvas.
  • Like the wide-open feel with the tent tends open in moderate weather.
  • Spacious living area for the size trailer, which is important with three kids and a dog (soon to be two dogs).
  • Relatively short trailer length (< 25')
Our main cons against our hybrid (233S):
  • Setup and take-down will always be more time consuming than with a TT.
  • Lack of interior storage.
Ours has never leaked (knock on wood).
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #30
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We looked at hybrids when moving from our pup. I think it is really a matter of what you want. Do you want that feel of tent camping? Then Hybrids are for you. If you want your outside to stay outside then maybe not. We originally nixed the hybrid idea because of concerns with putting it away wet (our storage was nearly an hour from our house) but the biggest reason I don't regret going to a hard side is the privacy factor. I didn't realize the importance of it until I got a hard side.

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