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Old 05-22-2012, 12:10 PM   #1
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Which hybrid to pick ? Looking for advice :)

I have been reading this forum for a while and it has been very helpful. I was hoping to get some advice on hybrids for us to pull with our 2010 GMC Acadia. We are a family of 5 (mom, dad, kids 7 & 9, and our australian shepherd puppy). I am a researchaholic, and have a handful of floorplans I like (3 bed pop outs), my husband wants space, I want more storage. Does anyone have any advice for me . . . looking at the Roo 183 / 233S, Surveyor SP224T & Coachmen 21 TQX. Thanks in advance! Mary
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #2
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Mary!

I'm moving this thread to the Expandable and Hybrid forum.

Just some initial thoughts for you to help in your decision...

The 233S is great when you have 4 or 5 to sleep. With your family, each kid has their own bed, which they will prefer as they get older.

The slideout on the 233S provides a lot of walking space, which we find is nice with our dog. Its always a shocker at how much extra space it gives when opened up. We love that feeling of openness.

I note that the 21TQX has a couch in front of one of the bunks. Some people don't like to climb over or on them to access the bunk.

The 183 is 3-4 feet shorter. But, its also the lightest trailer of the four. The 224T has a huge CCC so be careful loading it to the point that its over your TVs ability to tow. Weight will be critical with your tow vehicle.

You can play around with the towing calculator on Changingears to understand your ratings for any of these trailers with your truck. The Acadia has a max tow cap of 5,200lbs with the towing package, doesn't it? Check your truck's door sticker. That could limit your options.

Let us know if you have any specific questions. There are lots of 233S owners on board, a few 224T and not a lot of people with 21TQX but we'll help as much as we can
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Thanks for the info Scott, and for moving my post. I noticed it there and could not figure out how to move it. My husband really likes the 233S but the hitch weight is high (647#). We do have the tow package which is 5200#, 600# for tongue (stated on sticker by hitch). Is that a really big deal being over by 47#? Mary
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as listed on the mfg site seen here: Roo 233S specs
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Dry Hitch Weight 647 lb. (293 kg )
Dry Ship Weight 4,351 lb. (1,974 kg )
GVWR 5,764 lb. (2,615 kg )
Cargo Carrying Capacity 1,833 lb. (831 kg )
The hitch weight listed is the "dry" weight. Anything you add to the trailer will transfer between 10-15% to the tongue. Also, the "Dry Ship Weight" is less than 700 pounds from your max tow weight. Subtract the family, dog, and supplies and you'll quickly be at or over the limit of your Acadia.

I have a 1999 Blazer with the same tow rating. We just picked up the Coachmen Apex 151RBX. GVWR of 3890 so we still have "room" for our gear, family and dog. The interior is a little snug for staying inside, but that fits our camping style anyways. We're not inside unless we're changing, sleeping or the weather is REALLY bad. My first trip is in 3 weeks to Michigan International Speedway for the NA$CAR weekend.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:34 PM   #5
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When doing tow calculations, don't bother with the dry weights in the brochure as most people will load 500-1500lbs into their trailer.

The dry tongue weight is 647lbs but will be much more in real life after you load the trailer with cargo, propane, batteries, a little water, food, etc. My 233S has a tongue weight of 675-750lbs depending how heavy I loaded it and where I packed stuff. Usually closer to the lower end of that range, though.

But the real issue is the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) for the Acadia. My wife and I looked at one a few years ago. Verify this but I think its GCWR is around 9,500lbs. Subtract the actual weight of the truck including all people in the truck from 9500 and this leaves you with the maximum loaded trailer you can tow safely.

edit: I should add that is only one number. The calculator above will address all of your ratings. The bottom line is the 233S is too much trailer for the Acadia
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Is that 600# tounge capacity with or without a WDH? We are a family of 4, me, DW, DD & DS and have recently purchased a Shamrock 233S which is the twin to the Roo 233S, so far we love it, the openness of the main living is awesome, tons of storage, the kids have their own beds with room to carry friends & coming from a Pop Up to this we have actually found that once we have loaded all our gear back in that we still had so much room to spare that we feel like we have forgotten a few things. Agree that if you are going to stick to the Acadia that you confirm towing capacities before you decide on which camper to go with. Wish you the best of luck in your search.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #7
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Thanks for all the replies. We have AWD, GCWR is 10,450. Just picked up some bricks this weekend and asked them to tell me the weight of me and the car. It was 5100#, so figuring me, huband, kids and dog, that will be about 5,500 plus 4,335 of the trailer and subtract that from the 10,450, that only leaves us with 625 to load in the vehicle or camper. Am I doing the math right? If so my husband and I either need to go on diets or pick a lighter trailer.
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Thanks for the info Scott, and for moving my post. I noticed it there and could not figure out how to move it. My husband really likes the 233S but the hitch weight is high (647#). We do have the tow package which is 5200#, 600# for tongue (stated on sticker by hitch). Is that a really big deal being over by 47#? Mary
Tow ratings are VERY optimisic.

First, they assume the car/truck has JUST the driver and he/she weighs 150lbs. In your case you've got more people and a dog - and probably cargo (games, food, clothing, toys, bikes...etc). For us that's more like 700 lbs as I'm not close to 150lbs and neither is the DW and the kids keep growing.

What you need to watch more closely IMO is GCWR - the total weight of your tv and tt and cargo/passengers rolling down the road. This figure is what you have to get moving, keep moving, steer, stop, etc. I googled and found a GCWR of 9500lbs for an acadia. that may vary by year/options.
So if it lists a tow rating of 5200, then the acadia weighs about 4150 lbs.

So start adding:
truck 4150, people/dog 600(?), hitch 60ish.
Trailer is what, 3550 or so empty. Add battery and propane for 150lbs more.
You're gonna have food, clothing, sheets, dishes, chairs, firewood and a grill, etc. What, 500lbs? More? And if have water/waste in the tanks add for that too (figure 150 lbs as you're not likely to drain every drop every move so the lines, water heater, etc have something in them)

Now you've got 9160 lbs total. That's assuming only 500lbs of cargo (firewood, pool toys, bikes, computer, dog food/leash/dishes, etc, etc).

You're close to the max of the acadia. What this means if you live in kansas and never exceed 55mph and camp 50 miles from home 3 times a year is you're fine. Want to do 70mph over the rockies every weekend for 500 miles and you're gonna kill your tow vehicle in short order.

There are other numbers you can figure out too - what is the GVWR of the acadia? Add up the people/dog/cargo/hitch and tounge weight and see that you don't go over, or overload the rear axle.
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with the Acadia as a tow vehicle, you're going to be really limited in trailer size and weight, especially for a big family.
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Thanks everyone for your replies. My husband had a pop up in California and would go out with friends, but I never had anything other than a tent, and now with kids there is a lot to consider. So, do we get something smaller so we can get started, or look at upgrading our Acadia to somethinig bigger. Wow, then I'm really going to drive my husband crazy because there is a lot of fun stuff out there!

Happy camping everyone. Thanks for your kind suggestions and input, will look forward to talking again!

Mary
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