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Old 03-25-2014, 05:26 PM   #51
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That surprises me that June,July and August are the only "on-season" months if you will.

I wonder why May and September are not "season months"?
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:41 PM   #52
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I'm not a vet nor have ever served- so my opinion is likely moot.

From what I read on this thread- the campground department has to be self-funding. It seems that without enough users, they would have to close up.

Which would be worse- closing it all together or letting civilians use it? IMO, you have to look at the lessor of 2 evils. Especially as you haven't indicated that people have been turned away from using it. It's just folks you feel are undeserving of it are using it.

Just my $0.02 as an outsider looking in.
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Old 03-26-2014, 12:00 AM   #53
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It's one thing to reserve a spot or two for close friends or family but to buy out the entire campground (or a good portion of it) is another thing. I too would not a happy camper (pun intended) if I encounter the same issue.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:21 AM   #54
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I'm not a vet nor have ever served- so my opinion is likely moot.

From what I read on this thread- the campground department has to be self-funding. It seems that without enough users, they would have to close up.

Which would be worse- closing it all together or letting civilians use it? IMO, you have to look at the lessor of 2 evils. Especially as you haven't indicated that people have been turned away from using it. It's just folks you feel are undeserving of it are using it.

Just my $0.02 as an outsider looking in.
If MWR is renting out the spots to civilians then when I call and can't get a spot then it may as well be closed. Because the military campground is set up for active duty and retired not for civilians. If all the spots are rented out to civilians then who are they saving the campground for, not for me. The only thing MWR is doing is saving there jobs, MWR could care less about active duty and retired, its all about saving there jobs.There is at least four civilian campgrounds that are close by. Ft Fisher is $25 a night the other campgrounds are more than that, one is a KOA
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:33 AM   #55
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I'm not a vet nor have ever served- so my opinion is likely moot.

From what I read on this thread- the campground department has to be self-funding. It seems that without enough users, they would have to close up.

Which would be worse- closing it all together or letting civilians use it? IMO, you have to look at the lessor of 2 evils. Especially as you haven't indicated that people have been turned away from using it. It's just folks you feel are undeserving of it are using it.

Just my $0.02 as an outsider looking in.
I have called many times and could not get a spot and I asked the lady could that be the reason that I could not get a spot and she said yes. I always thought that when I called and could not get a spot was that an active duty had beat me and I was fine with that but now I know it could have been a civilian. It use to be active duty could reserve the spots 90 days in advance and retired 75 days in advance, so I always thought when I could not get a spot and active duty had beat me out which I was fine with. The whole time they were letting civilians groups in 18 months ahead. Tell me who are they saving the campground for?
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:01 AM   #56
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too bad that you have to be retired or active military to use them. I am a veteran but can not use the one we have here that sits over half empty all year. If they would open the camps up to veterans they could maybe keep them full all year long.
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:24 AM   #57
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too bad that you have to be retired or active military to use them. I am a veteran but can not use the one we have here that sits over half empty all year. If they would open the camps up to veterans they could maybe keep them full all year long.

If I can detract for a second, what's the distinction between retired military and veteran? Shouldn't that be the same thing? Only way I could think it would make a difference was a dishonourable discharge.
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Retired is someone who served for 20 years or more. They are also a veteran. A veteran is anybody who served, does not have to be for 20 years, could be only 4.
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If I can detract for a second, what's the distinction between retired military and veteran? Shouldn't that be the same thing? Only way I could think it would make a difference was a dishonourable discharge.
A retired military is a person who has put in his 20 plus years. They also get a retirement based on there ranking at discharge. A veteran as described as a person who severed in the Military for 3 to what ever but not long enough to receive a pension. The way the MWR works is a pecking order. The camp grounds are first given to active. There is a limit to exceed that limit the Commanding officer has to approve it. Then comes DOD personal that are doing a temp job at the base. The third is a Veteran that has been awarded 100% disability from the VA or retired with a pension. Other then that a person severing is allowed to sponsor a parent for a visit which also has to be approved by the Commander and the parents are met with the paper work at the gate for entry. If anyone thinks that they bases do not fill up you are wrong. I have tried for 3 years to stay at the Coast Guard base in the keys, they allow booking 1 year in advance. People can stay for 6mos. They do have a dry camp area that they move you into and if someone leaves the longest person that is in the dry camp area get's to move if they want. I have called many bases and been turn down because of the dates I want are taken already. Sometimes they leave 1 or 2 spots open for people that are traveling for over night. Trust me the MWR is not going broke. You can read the rules at Military Camp grounds. It is a private site that was started and gives all the info for reservation and how long ahead you can make them. It has every USA base that has CG with it. In fact if you stay at Fort Bragg you are not even on the base at all. It is located off base like 1 mile away. I do not know what happen except they were their for a burial. I'm sure out of respect to the family the rules bent a little. But still the Commander is the only one who can do that not MWR. The last place I stayed at there was a guy with 9mos left in service, he was working on an old trailer getting ready to drive back to Minn, when he retired. He told me that he had to petition the Commander for this exception. I hope this clears this up a little for everyone.
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Retired is someone who served for 20 years or more. They are also a veteran. A veteran is anybody who served, does not have to be for 20 years, could be only 4.
Or can be medically retired
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