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Old 07-20-2016, 08:41 PM   #31
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Just want to add on my previous post, I also had sway bar...very useful and a must. Sienna was a very good tow vehicle when I had It, with company installed cooler transmission...nothing to add on the van other than the towing equipment.





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Old 07-20-2016, 09:19 PM   #32
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ayangch, I think you'll find very quickly that the rear end of your Sienna will sag A LOT which is why I highly recommend the Air Lift 1000 air bags for your rear suspension. In fact, if you try this suspension enhancement you might not need the WDH. Most folks around here that pull a regular popup with a minivan don't use a WDH.

X2 with the air bags! And the rear sagging. Not sure about the WDH I do not use one with my set up.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:14 AM   #33
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ayangch, I think you'll find very quickly that the rear end of your Sienna will sag A LOT which is why I highly recommend the Air Lift 1000 air bags for your rear suspension. In fact, if you try this suspension enhancement you might not need the WDH. Most folks around here that pull a regular popup with a minivan don't use a WDH.
thanks itat, I am considering Air Lift as well, just not sure if Air Lift will be good enough as my understanding air lift will not help that much on the sway. so I would just wait till I have first short trip out and see how it goes and decide which one I should be adding. if there is no big sway concern, I will go Air Lift, but sway does raise big concern to me, I probably go with WDH with sway control. Either one will resolve sag issue, right?
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:31 AM   #34
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Yeah, a WDH should help with both sway and leveling of the van. I didn't have one with my Coleman/Caravans.

Remember, though, that the WDH will add 50-75 lbs to your tongue weight. (Actually, probably 50 lbs less than my bike rack hitch!)
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:40 PM   #35
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thanks itat, I am considering Air Lift as well, just not sure if Air Lift will be good enough as my understanding air lift will not help that much on the sway. so I would just wait till I have first short trip out and see how it goes and decide which one I should be adding. if there is no big sway concern, I will go Air Lift, but sway does raise big concern to me, I probably go with WDH with sway control. Either one will resolve sag issue, right?
I agree that air bags will only marginally help control sway despite what Air Lift says here. They would just help keep the van level keeping more traction on the front axle. However, I still contend that for your small popup sway shouldn't be a problem at all. It'll tuck in nicely behind the Sienna and, being short, it wouldn't be affected by crosswinds or passing semis too much.
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Old 07-21-2016, 02:45 PM   #36
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Having used both, I strongly recommend the WDH in lieu of the air bags. The air bags will lift the rear end sag. But there is minimal weight transferred to the front wheels. A minivan gets its handling from having a reasonably balanced load on all 4 wheels. If you have ever put too much cargo in the back end of a minivan, you know what I mean.

I could not believe the difference a WDH makes when I first towed with one. It puts the minivan back to near level, lifts the rear end, and makes the rig drive normally. And when I unhitch my A-frame, my minivan is back to a stock suspension.

Contrary to a lot of beliefs, pop-ups tend to sway easily. They only have one axle (there are exceptions), so there is not nearly the resistance to swaying of a tandem axle trailer. Watch a PUP being towed on the interstate, and watch how many of them are swaying. Not swaying a lot, but they aren't tracking straight, either. In addition to the above, a short single axle trailer lends itself to easily getting the tongue weight out of the range where it should be.

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Old 07-22-2016, 12:53 PM   #37
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Ok, I have brought the trailer back home from dealer. there are couple issues I need to address later I guess.

- As the receiver is very low on the back, I have to use 6" raise hitch to get the trailer leveled. with trailer hitched, the safety chains are already touching the ground due to low position of the receiver as well as sag. I have to use zip tire to shorten the chains.

- The receiver installed on my minivan is Curt class III rated for 3500lbs towing with 350lbs tongue weight or 3500lbs towing with 350lbs tongue weight if WDH is equipped. as per spec, the net trailer tongue weight is 376lbs which is already over the rating without WDH.

a Voyager breaker control has been installed as well. at the way home (approx 20km), there are some up & down hills, I did not notice any sway, the driving was quite smooth and did not notice any lack of power. we are going to have a short camping trip this weekend, I will report any other findings.

Obviously, as mentioned by others earlier, sag is first thing I have to deal with, I was thinking to add air lift as it will level the minivan and it is less expensive, plus I did not have any sway issue yet, but I realize quickly the air lift will not help any receiver rating concern (even though I don't think this will be a huge problem but better to address it if I could, right?). so right now, I am more lean to have a WDH instead of air lift, while again, WDH will add more tongue weight and one of my colleagues mentioned with WDH, it will really hard to back up the trailer or make a sharp turn.

any thoughts? thanks.
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Old 07-22-2016, 03:51 PM   #38
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I don't think the tongue weight issue is a show stopper - but that's my personal opinion.


You have mentioned another benefit to either the bags or WDH - stopping the hitch from scraping on speed bumps and the like in the road. Except for really severe dips, I never bottom out with the WDH installed.


I have the Equalizer E2 600/6000 WDH/anti-sway. The Equalizer WDH uses WDH bars that slide on L-brackets mounted on the trailer for anti-sway. It can easily turn or back just about as well as without the bars installed. It will groan - sometimes loudly - as the bars slide in the brackets in low speed turns. There are covers available to reduce the noise that I have never bothered with. The groan as I turn out of my driveway or campsite tells me all is working as designed. No noise above about 30MPH - and no sway, either.


I think the Equalizer sliding bars are much simpler than the chain system WDHs with separate rods for anti-sway. Again, that's personal opinion.


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Old 07-22-2016, 05:41 PM   #39
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As far as your sag that is your biggest issue for ride quality. No matter what you add to you vehicle to level it out it will never change the Tongue weight rating of your vehicle. Keep in mind it is overloaded from what you have stated. If you exceeding the hitch ratings you may be asking for trouble. Those weights are usually the safe range for the hitch assembly. It's a tuff situation to be in cause I have all the confidence In The world the Sienna will haul it power wise. I know you will figure out the right thing to do. Most will say to get a smaller trailer or a bigger tow vehicle.

As far as a WDH there are many good ones out there. I am buying the blue ox sway pro. Easy hook up compared to others and you buy the complete set up one time and if you ever upgrade your trailer all you have to buy is the trunion bars that's it. The ease of hook up is nice too.

Good luck hope it works out for you. Happy camping and be safe!
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Old 07-22-2016, 05:55 PM   #40
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At first, I only used a round bar WDH that I was given from a friend. It met all my spec. He bought it from etrailer and didn't need it anymore. That set up without airbag, and my back end was dragging, too. And that was only with 300lbs TW. I switched to the blue Ox sway pro and added the air bags. No more low back end.

Like others have already stated, the blue ox had trunnion bars, and you never have to change the head just the bars as we upgrade. And another plus is you do not need to unhook to back up like some other models.

Depending on which hitch you put on, some of the curts mention they are 350lbs w/o WDH and 550-600lbs, (depending on model) with a WDH.

Again get it loaded and then weigh it. You can make necessary adjustment then. You may have to lighten what you pack behind your rear axle.

Let us know how it goes. Have fun and enjoy your new PUP
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