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Old 08-09-2013, 05:57 AM   #11
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You sound like a careful guy and are giving thought to the correct items.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:24 AM   #12
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Very true. Been doing some calculations. Would be ok with a fully loaded HW277 and passengers in the Flex. Plus the wife loves the outside kitchen and fridge access. I will probably get something with a slightly larger capacity when this lease is up.
I got curious as I never considered the Flex as a TV - and looked at the web site. I assume you are looking to a weight distributing hitch set up as that is where those weights are listed. You mentioned bikes earlier in this thread, are they included in your weight considerations? Do keep in mind, it is not recommended to put bike racks on the back bumper of these campers, so a bike rack would go on the TV. I have thought of various versions of a hitch bike rack using a hitch extender to my using my current piggyback style rack and end up bringing a second vehicle when we want to bring bikes.
Oh my! All the stuff we cart along to have a good time -it is all weight ain't it....
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:32 AM   #13
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No way would I pull a Hw with a flex. Ask the dealer ship to let y o u pull the trailer 1st then you might get what we are talking about.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:44 AM   #14
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Looks like you are getting conflicting opinions on the amount of storage space. I am saying "minimal" and GalsofEscape is saying lots of storage space. I guess it is a matter of perspective. We have bucked the trend of probably 99% of camping people as our previous camper was a full-size travel trailer. Seems like everyone always up-sizes as they go through the evolution of tent - popup - travel trailer - 5th wheel. Personally, I was getting tired of sending some Saudi prince's kids through college everytime we went camping, so we downsized to something more economical to tow. So anyway, I was looking at storage space from the perspective of a full-size TT. So let me back up a bit...in the pop-up universe these high walls have considerable storage space. A lot more than we ever had in our previous pop-up before the TT. It was a Coleman Sea Pine, and storage space was pretty sparse. Actually, any space was pretty sparse since it was only a 10' box. We look back on that now and wonder how in the heck we ever fit in that little pup, especially given that was when our 2 kids were still at home and went with us camping, and even brought friends from time to time.

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Very true. Been doing some calculations. Would be ok with a fully loaded HW277 and passengers in the Flex. Plus the wife loves the outside kitchen and fridge access. I will probably get something with a slightly larger capacity when this lease is up.
It sounds like you have a good handle on things. People generally run out payload long before anything else when towing things. In most vehicles, it's almost impossible to hit the "towing capacity" due to people weight, stuff you carry in the vehicle and then tongue weight.

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No way would I pull a Hw with a flex. Ask the dealer ship to let y o u pull the trailer 1st then you might get what we are talking about.
I wasn't going to say anything as I have already been chastised on this forum and accused of being "weight police" when I suggested someone's TV was a little out of it's league towing a HW. But since you have broached the subject, I will put in my $0.02 worth. I would not recommend anything other than a vehicle with body-on-frame construction and live rear axle to tow a HW, particularly one with a 16' box. The HW296 has a GVW of nearly 4600# and it's closed-up towing length is over 21', which puts it in the realm of needing a truck or truck-based SUV to tow it. You can see in the signature line what we are towing with, and yes it is overkill, but I never have to worry about trucks passing us or cross-winds or climbing a long grade, etc. That 4600# is a long ways from the rated tow capacity of 10,100#.

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I completely understand these towing needs and requirements. I have towed many things. I also don't want to put my family in jeopardy. Towing with a body on frame is better but not an essential. The flex was designed to tow the advertised weights and I know several people that tow at near full capacity with no issues and great perceived control. I will most likely be going with the HW277 for more reasons then just weight. I also will equip it with any and all devices or accessories that will help me tow safer. If I don't feel comfortable towing with it I will be down at the dealership getting something bigger. ;-) I greatly appreciate all the advice, rest assured I will take it all in. You can ALWAYS learn something new.
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:18 PM   #18
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Good to know that you are not a stranger or newbee to towing. May you have many happy trips with the rig you end up with. Now, I am packing up my HW277 for a week at the beach. I am on vacation. Yippee!
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Good to know that you are not a stranger or newbee to towing. May you have many happy trips with the rig you end up with. Now, I am packing up my HW277 for a week at the beach. I am on vacation. Yippee!
Thank you. Have a great trip!
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:21 AM   #20
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I guess if I want to be extremely safe on tow weight I should just get a F450 Dually and call it a day. I guess its just a balance between what you want to drive, what you want to tow, and what you use your vehicle for when you're not towing. I am a avid car enthusiast and spend a good deal of my free time researching, working on, and customizing vehicles. I also have a busy life toting around my daughters and all the other family things. I "need" to own a safe reliable vehicle. I "want" to have a trailer and other such toys. Finding a balance is important. Whether it be financially or a simple matter of taste. I love tent camping but we as a family are ready to upgrade. I don't see getting anything bigger or "fancier" until my kids are grown and gone. I'm gonna start to process of finding us a HW277. Even with that thing loaded to the gills and with my passengers I will have decent amount of weight to stay under the vehicles GCVW. I have access to a 2013 F250 to tow with if I have issues with my current TV. Now the fun begins. Can't wait till I get it. Sorry for the rant....
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