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Old 07-11-2016, 07:00 PM   #11
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I would check the underside of the trailer at the pulley and make sure the cable is on the pulley and has not slide off the pulley and is stuck between the pulley and the bracket. Just "guessing" that if the cable is caught it will allow the roof to go up and down a few inches (maybe) and if the winch might have a safety feature if there is too much tension on the cable.
The pulley is attached to the rear of the frame....
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:03 PM   #12
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I would check the underside of the trailer at the pulley and make sure the cable is on the pulley and has not slide off the pulley and is stuck between the pulley and the bracket.
Excellent point
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:12 PM   #13
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He did not ever lube or oil the system. Just asked him.

When this happened, that's the first thing I thought of. So I shot some grease into the zerk in the middle of the silver box thing (there is only one zerk down there.....), but I did not do the tubes because I didn't know how.
There are two down there......the one you saw at the rear on the bottom........and the other one is on top in the front.
The tubes......are located in each corner of the box......there are two screws outside of each corner.......undo those and you can gently enough pull them down enough to add about an ounce of oil in each tube......this is part of the yearly maintenance. I believe F5moab has done a pictorial on how to do it.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:22 PM   #14
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Don't believe this will be the current problem you have. But in the future, these items do need lub, usually in the spring before the first trip.

These are for a 228BH; however they should be similar if not the same for most other Forest River (Rockwood/Flagstaff) trailers.




Brackets are held in place by two bolts at each corner. MAKE sure top is down, and remove bolts.



Once bolts are removed, pull bracket away and lower is SLIGHTLY.



Lower bracket SLOWLY to allow access to squirt some oil into the conduit. I use straight 30 WT engine oil; that's what the dealer recommended.



When reinstalling the conduit, it might be necessary to unlock the roof and allow it to move a bit when you push the conduit back up.
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So, found both zerks. Hit them with grease. I will tackle the tubes later this week. Thanks for that info! The pictures are great!

I checked the pulley, and everything is cool there. I had my son hit the switch while I was down therethere, and the winch side of the pulls feels fine. It's binding up on the other side of the pulley somewhere.

And just to make sure that it wasn't the actual top hung up anywhere. With some effort, all four corners can be manually lifted by hand.

If lubing the tubes doesn't solve it, my next step will be to take the cable off the winch. That way I can run the winch to see if it turns freely. If so, I can eliminate that as a source of the problem.
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Welcome to the world of RV camping. Your first test so soon? You will get through this and be wiser and more self sufficient for it. Hang in there.
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Old 07-12-2016, 10:31 PM   #17
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My question is...........IF the "horrible grinding" has destroyed the worm gear, where can he get a replacement?
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Old 07-13-2016, 01:03 AM   #18
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Alrighty.....so hear is what my major surgery on the lift system resulted in:


1) The winch motor still slightly slips/grinds with no load on it. Not sure if it was that way, or its from me trying to lift a stuck roof. See picture. Apparently I will be replacing it. Trevor, you had mentioned this was one of the last 2014's with a worm drive. Is there an upgrade, and will it just plug into the existing mounts? If so, do you know where I can find one?

2) The cable that attaches to the winch is slightly frayed at the end and is definitely flattened out in places.

3) All four lift tubes were completely bone dry. If they ever had any lube, it has long since disappeared. The master tube had grease still in it, although that may be from what I pumped in there yesterday.

4) Two of the four lift springs have slight kinks. Not sure if this was the cause of the binding or not, but I suspect it had something to do with it. See attached pic. I am planning on ordering new springs and cables from Goshen tomorrow, in any case, unless any one has any other bright ideas.

5) The camper is up on a car lift in my shop. I was thinking of taking four 2x4s, sticking them under the roof, and lowering the camper to "raise the roof." I figured it might be a good way to check the operation of the telescoping posts. Any one have any thoughts on this?

I now know more about PUP lift systems than I ever thought I would know. Knowledge gained means a successful day, right?

Thanks everyone for all your help on this. Feels like I've been thrown into the deep end here, but at least you guys are there with a ring buoy to pull me out.

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Old 07-13-2016, 05:15 AM   #19
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The maker of the lift motor is Carefree of Colorado........the newer ones are beefier and more of a direct drive setup. Sure it's a 2014? Your drive now should have a sheet metal box around the worm drive to pack full of grease. This camper you have....were you there when the previous raised the roof before you looked at it? Last thing, box below will hold about one full tube of grease......it will begin to come out of the end when full.
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Just curious - did you observe the original owner open and close this unit...or was it already open when you got there?
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