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Old 07-13-2016, 08:41 AM   #21
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Did the dealer install the winch or was it factory installed?
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:47 AM   #22
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The maker of the lift motor is Carefree of Colorado........the newer ones are beefier and more of a direct drive setup. Sure it's a 2014? Your drive now should have a sheet metal box around the worm drive to pack full of grease. This camper you have....were you there when the previous raised the roof before you looked at it? Last thing, box below will hold about one full tube of grease......it will begin to come out of the end when full.
Yes...here's an illustration of how it should look....and where the grease should be packed


My opinion is go with a new motor or with a manual winch. I threw my power winch away last year and installed a manual and never been happier. It was constantly breaking or getting our of adjustment. New motors are supposed to be stronger and I believe don't require the yearly packing of grease.
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An unfortunate rookie mistake, no, I did not see him put it up. He offered, but my wife and I declined because everything was in such pristine condition, and it went down just fine. In his defense, he has since offered to buy it back from me, no questions asked. He has been very responsive, and has been adequately horrified over this situation.

The winch appears to be a factory install. It did have the grease cover, but I took it off to take the picture. When it's on, it makes a horrible rattling noise when operating the winch, as it appears to just kinda sit there unattached to anything. If that's how it is supposed to be, yet another engineering fail on the part of the manufacturer.

This problem, and the fact that the "manual override" of the winch is a complete joke, has made me think that replacing with a manual winch is the way to go. The only thing that *has* to work on a camping trip is this piece of equipment. If the fridge, water pump, AC, stove, battery, etc... fails, your trip is not a "pack-up and go home" situation. However, if you can't get the top up, you are screwed. And with the way the manual override is designed on this winch, there is no coming back from this failure if the motor seizes up, or a gear shatters. And to top it all off, the power winch is so freaking loud! Even when the PO was lowering the top, I was amazed at how loud the bugger was. I don't want to be *that* guy who wakes up a campground should I pull in to the place late.

f5moab, where did you get your manual winch, and was it a direct bolt-on replacement? My trailer has an AC unit on top, will it be too heavy for a manual winch?
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Get your money and move on to the next one.......
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:15 PM   #25
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An unfortunate rookie mistake, no, I did not see him put it up. He offered, but my wife and I declined because everything was in such pristine condition, and it went down just fine. In his defense, he has since offered to buy it back from me, no questions asked. He has been very responsive, and has been adequately horrified over this situation.

The winch appears to be a factory install. It did have the grease cover, but I took it off to take the picture. When it's on, it makes a horrible rattling noise when operating the winch, as it appears to just kinda sit there unattached to anything. If that's how it is supposed to be, yet another engineering fail on the part of the manufacturer.

This problem, and the fact that the "manual override" of the winch is a complete joke, has made me think that replacing with a manual winch is the way to go. The only thing that *has* to work on a camping trip is this piece of equipment. If the fridge, water pump, AC, stove, battery, etc... fails, your trip is not a "pack-up and go home" situation. However, if you can't get the top up, you are screwed. And with the way the manual override is designed on this winch, there is no coming back from this failure if the motor seizes up, or a gear shatters. And to top it all off, the power winch is so freaking loud! Even when the PO was lowering the top, I was amazed at how loud the bugger was. I don't want to be *that* guy who wakes up a campground should I pull in to the place late.

f5moab, where did you get your manual winch, and was it a direct bolt-on replacement? My trailer has an AC unit on top, will it be too heavy for a manual winch?

Purchased the manual winch and the crank directly from Goshen Manufacturing in IN. Price last year, with shipping was around $82.00.
It was a direct install.
Rotate the winch drum to get to the set screw on the drum shaft to remove so cable will come out. Then....
Just take off the plastic cover, disconnect the wiring (make sure to disconnect from the battery first), then remove three bolts and lift the power winch out, and position new manual winch to the bracket and install.

The three bolts circled are all that hold the winch in place.


Now, when I did mine, I ran into a problem. It seems that since the cable goes through the drum shaft on a power winch, they cut it rather short. When I went to install the manual winch, the cable was not long enough to anchor to the manual winch. So I had to replace the cable. Not hard, just messy.
Here's a photo of a manual winch cable anchoring and you can see why it requires a longer length of cable.


And this is where that photo comes from with some great info on how to attach cables....
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Just called Goshen, and they were extremely helpful. I loooove midwestern customer service! Between them and Weber grills' CSRs, I gotta say there is no comparison to it out here in California.

This has to be the cheapest of any fix for any RV repair. $137+shipping for all new springs, a new cable, a manual winch, and a handle. I couldn't believe it!

If this doesn't work, then I obviously have a kink in the telescoping poles, or the roof is hung up somewhere. I will keep y'all posted. Thanks again for all your help!
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Stabilizer jacks cannot be down when you open the trailer. Putting load on the trailer will twist things and bind it up.
Pull in and level side to side with blocks under the wheels only. Level front to back with the front jack only. Lift the top into position completely and only then lower the stabilizers.
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Stabilizer jacks cannot be down when you open the trailer. Putting load on the trailer will twist things and bind it up.
Pull in and level side to side with blocks under the wheels only. Level front to back with the front jack only. Lift the top into position completely and only then lower the stabilizers.
Really? I have never lifted the roof witout the stabiizers down, and it has been over three years and NO damage to the trailer! Page 49 of my owner's manual states to lower the stabilizers prior to lifting the roof.
Also, I do not level with blocks under the wheels. Did it a few times, but easier to use a BAL leveler.
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If you have the 4 latches unhooked there should be no obvious reason for the roof to not lift unless there is an issue with the lift system. If your winch is the same as the unit that came with my Starcraft, it has been discintinued in favor of a completely new design. It apoears you may have a defective winch. If you have a Goshen lift system it may be advisable to replace the cable as well, especially if it is damaged. Not a difficult job to do. Good luck.
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Oops... Sorry. Didn't realize that there were 3 pages of responses when I made the prior response. BTW... The new electric winch worked great when I installed it.
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