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Old 08-16-2015, 11:46 PM   #11
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Hold on there, guys.

Despite your derision, there are situations where an epi-pen is indicated.

See:
Anaphylaxis in Dogs: Severe Acute Allergic Reactions
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https://www.vetinfo.com/allergic-reactions-in-dogs.html

A HUMAN-sized dose is, of course, way too large, but let's not discourage pet owners from carrying an appropriately-sized one for a pet with known reactions to stings and bites.

This kind of rumor-propagation could just as easily get a dog killed by a sting.

Just remember the old paradox that EVERY absolute is false!

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Old 08-16-2015, 11:54 PM   #12
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The trick is not to give them a human dose. That is the stupid part.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:12 AM   #13
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I think the issue is two-fold. issue one is related to dosage, too high of a dosage could induce a heart attack in a dog. Issue two, what kind of reaction did the dog have? If it was the typical slight swelling, stinging then rip was excessive, if the dog had an anaphylactic reaction then the owner did what they knew to do. It might have been the wrong reaction but had the owner not reacted, the dog may have been dead anyways. We don't have enough info here to make a judgement on the owner.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:19 AM   #14
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A HUMAN-sized dose is, of course, way too large, but let's not discourage pet owners from carrying an appropriately-sized one for a pet with known reactions to stings and bites.
That would be something prescribed by a vet. Nobody's discouraging that.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:45 AM   #15
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Pop the article was helpful but not precise. What I took from that was that if it is the first time then get to the vet ASAP. The vet would use all the measures listed and then prescribe an appropriate weight based dose if epinephrine to use and be carried by the owner to use in an emergency. This is from Advanced Veterinary Care website:
If a pet owner has a dog or cat known to have anaphylaxis, an EpiPen or syringe of epinephrine should be kept at home and taken with the pet when away from home. Dogs weighing over 45 lbs can use the standard 0.3 mg epinephrine EpiPen. Dogs weighing between 20-45 lbs can use the EpiPen Jr. For dogs weighing less than 20 lbs and cats, it may be more appropriate to have a syringe at home containing the proper dose as even the EpiPen Jr. may be too much. Your veterinarian can show you how to administer an injection to prepare you for an emergency situation.
The point is the care was directed by a professional and not the whim of a dog owner. No judgments, just a better and safer way to treat the condition. Since we no very little of the facts about what happened all statements are conjecture. I'm pretty sure the owner was doing the best they could under the situation. It just turned out to be the wrong thing.
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The trick is not to give them a human dose. That is the stupid part.
X2 Yes we do not have all the facts but 99.9% of dogs are not going to have a severe reaction to a sting but to give a small dog a human prescribed medicine / dosage is not real bright, if it were prescribed for the dog by the vet fine. Really two totally different things.........

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Benadryl for dogs is also recommended for snake bite to help stabilize them until you can reach a vet. Check w/ the vet to get the proper mg/ pound for your dog then write it on the box to have it close at hand if/when needed.
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Hold on there, guys.

Despite your derision, there are situations where an epi-pen is indicated.

See:
Anaphylaxis in Dogs: Severe Acute Allergic Reactions
and
https://www.vetinfo.com/allergic-reactions-in-dogs.html

A HUMAN-sized dose is, of course, way too large, but let's not discourage pet owners from carrying an appropriately-sized one for a pet with known reactions to stings and bites.

This kind of rumor-propagation could just as easily get a dog killed by a sting.

Just remember the old paradox that EVERY absolute is false!

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I do not think that anyone's point here is to not to use an epi-pen on a dog if it were prescribed by a vet, the OPs whole point and everyone else s, in my opinion is to be aware the prescriptions intended for us can be deadly for our beloved pets. To use an epi-pen that is prescribed for a human on a small dog is not a good idea and rather dumb. But in a panic moment we can all make bad decisions.

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Old 08-17-2015, 08:41 AM   #19
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We were prescribed an EpiPen for our Damnation after he ate a bee and kinda swelled up. I wonder if it was the size of the dog that made it fatal. I am sure they are prescribed in different doses for adults than for children.
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Good information/thanks. I do travel with Benadryl for my dobes, a flexible wrap for booboo's, and triple antibiotic ointment.
triple antibiotic is OK to use on a dog? I have used it on a dog and cat but never remember to ask a vet if it was OK.

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