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Old 07-06-2014, 08:43 PM   #61
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Pit bulls, Doberman, etc are to me kinda like snakes, "I ain't afraid of snakes, but my feet are, so I just follow them"
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:49 PM   #62
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Wow, stats like that would likely explain the pit bull bans. I had one rush my kids when they were only 5 and 6 ... Guy didn't have it on a leash, scared the hell out of my daughters and me who thought we were dead. My kids were not doing anything.
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Being an active dog owner literally my entire life I've broken up many dog altercations.

Only once did I take a dog to the edge of it's life to stop it. It was a pit/boxer that was attacking my fathers mini schnauzer. It refused to let go until it's eyes were popping out of its head because of the crushing choke hold I had then I had to decide if it was safe to let the dog go, which it wasn't. Thankfully the dog owner was there and separated us once the dog was passing out. It was all the owner could do to hold it back as it came around.

So forgive me when I have little sympathy towards certain dogs. I'll pet them, I don't care if you have them on leash but don't get upset when I put mine up if you come around.

It's just one of the things the owner has to accept when they take responsibility for that animal, that it may not be welcome some places.
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:52 PM   #64
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Myths about pitbulls from an spca website.
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There was a little girl in the news in Jackson, MS last week. Her grandmother reported she'd taken her to a KFC while in town for treatment to have a feeding tube re-inserted, which was necessary because she'd been attacked by pit bulls at her grandfather's house.

Her grandmother claimed (later exposed as a hoax) that an employee of KFC asked them to leave because her horribly scarred face was "scaring the customers".

It was later revealed that her grandfather was breeding pits and had at least six, some reported 10, pits on the property and IIRC three of them crashed thru a screen door and attacked her.

That's not a myth. While the KFC complaint was a hoax, this little girl lost one eye, her face horribly disfigured *for life*, her upper and lower jaw, and her nose broken. KFC had announced they were donating $30K for medical treatment before it was known it was a hoax, and they're sticking with the donation. One plastic surgeon had agreed to donate his services before the hoax was revealed, and he's sticking with his promise.

Attacked by three pits...she's lucky to be alive. SHAME ON that grandfather for having his little grand daughter on the premises with those dogs. I don't remember her age, but in my mind's eye I envision a 3 year old (from the pictures). If either of my sons bought a pit to live around my grand babies I'd report them to CPS.

Far too many factual news stories for it to be a myth that pits are unpredictable and aggressive.
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:32 PM   #66
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The common thread running thru all these states: Legislation regarding pit bulls. Some have other breeds listed; Dobbies, Rotties, one even lists Chihuahuas, but they ALL list pit bulls. At least one state mandates sterilization of all pit bulls.
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Statistically pit bulls have a lower bite rate than a golden retriever and temperament test near the top of the list. Truth about pit bulls.

Also if you really take the time to do proper research you will learn that frequently the attacking dog is misidentified as a pit bull. That the majority of the time a dog breed is not reliably identified and that many other breeds are just as responsible for major dog bites. Even small breed dogs have hospitalized people with their bites.

I take no offense to anyone putting a dog inside, I just hope you give me a chance to walk on by peacefully waving hi as I usually do at campgrounds. I stop on a campsite only if invited on with my dog as I choose not to intrude on others spaces or take my dog where he may not be welcome. Then again I am a responsible pet owner. I properly train socialize and care for my dog. I also keep my dog restrained when camping, in public, etc. I make no excuses for the low life's who breed and train dogs specifically for fighting. In fact I regard them on the same level as puppy mills. I also worked with a rescue recently in an attempt to get abused pit bulls out of their home before they had a chance to turn against people.
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I'm rather put out by this place right now so I'm not going to look this up.

The vet that my wife works for showed her a stat list put out by one of the vet organizations (Yeah, friend of a friend, but I'm not researching it.) showing that the actual king of aggressive behavior and biting were chihuahuas and the like. Small breeds with Napoleonic complexes.

The problem with the bigger, stronger breeds is it's like riding a motorcycle or flying in an airplane. While both are safe when compared to miles traveled when the crash happens its usually quite ugly. When the big ones attack, its rarely a band-aid fix. That's what makes news. That's what worries folks.

The majority of people simply don't realize the huge responsibility they're taking on. They cloak themselves in oh he's a good boy when they're too lazy to keep up with them properly and too proud to leave them home.
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Ok so we are getting somewhere. There is recognition that small dogs can be problematic too and that the reason pits get a bad name is because of them making the news (ok I may be leaping a little for you here) but this is what I'm simply asking people to understand. I am not asking them to like pits or my dog, I'm just asking people to understand that large dogs or more specifically pits are the sole problem or even the larger problem (no pun intended). And yes, I too agree the issue frequently lies with an irresponsible, uncaring owner.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:03 AM   #70
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The difference between a chihuahua biting me and a bigger, stronger dog biting me is I can drop kick the chihuahua (I wouldn't, but hopefully my point is made.) across the campground. The bigger one? The one I choked out, had it managed to turn on me, I'd have had a really bad day. In fact I was planning on just hanging on till it quit until the owner got involved.

I don't trust any dog I don't know. I don't trust dogs I do know. I size them up and judge my survivability if they turned on me. Up to 30 pounds, it's not going to truly hurt me.

And don't get me wrong, I like dogs. Four live here, the Dane mentioned, a lab, Australian Cattle dog and a stupid little chihuahua. But I don't trust them because I know that the instinctive potential is there.
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