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Old 04-24-2013, 10:41 AM   #11
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Guys, I am still confused by all this payload stuff, as I have been contemplating what 5er I can safely tow. I have an f250 diesel and I am thinking based on reading here that regarding the pin weight I will need to be below 2k. Back to posted topic.

Then I am reading this....

It's mentioned he needs a 1 ton dually? See picture below from Palomino website.

Turbo, don't you have a 3/4 ton? According to this your hitch weight is 1872lbs.

I am by no means trying to point anyone or anything out, just trying to decipher through these posts to make smart decision for myself in the future and from all I have read I won't be capable of towing a 12k trailer with 2k pin weight. But it seems everyone is doing it looking at people's profile and tv's.

Just sayin, pass the corn and 3d goggles...
Yes I do but look at all the weights and lengths.

That pin weight listed is for a 2013/14 32bhok
I have a 2011 and its less.

36qb is 4 ' longer than a 32bh

Not apples to apples my friend.

Now look at uvw 36qb is 11, 840 lbs
32 bh is 2, 300 lbs less
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:52 AM   #12
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Yes I do but look at all the weights and lengths.

That pin weight listed is for a 2013/14 32bhok
I have a 2011 and its less.

36qb is 4 ' longer than a 32bh

Not apples to apples my friend.

Now look at uvw 36qb is 11, 840 lbs
32 bh is 2, 300 lbs less
Sounds good, that answers my questions. No problems being over payload capacity, keep length and total weight in check, thanks!
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:55 AM   #13
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Payload on that truck should be about 2450 lbs .
The math is uber simple here.
2450- 1850 = 600lbs left

1 ton dually period
It's worse. My actual wet pin weight was 2,300 pounds:

2,450 - 2,300 = 150 pounds.

Now, think about the goodies that we add onto the truck after it leaves the dealer's lot - truck bed cover, 5th wheel hitch, fancy lock thingamajig for the tailgate, etc.

If you're going to stick to the ratings, the truck with a 36QBOK is going to be over before you load up the family.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:56 AM   #14
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Sounds good, that answers my questions. No problems being over payload capacity, keep length and total weight in check, thanks!
That's one opinion.

The other opinion is that all of the ratings matter and you shouldn't exceed any of them.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:15 PM   #15
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Been there & done that, unfortunately... Cost us some bucks deciding to upgrade to an F350/3500 or go with a lighter 5er.

It was a tough decision as the 36' Cougar had the exact floor plan we wanted. With a new truck bed cover, bed liner, 5er hitch, DW, big puppy, airbags, firewood and camping gear, however; we were already near payload, and the loaded trailer's hitch weight put us well over all specs. Took a quick trip to the Texas coast and I knew that although I had plenty of hp and torque, that big rig was obviously made for a one-ton truck.

When we returned home, I gave serious thought to proceeding with what we had because even though the towing comfort wasn't what I wanted, I noticed on several forums that lots of folks tow over their TV's manufacturer's ratings and read the reasons why they do so.

DW then planned a trip with our two young granddaughters and my decision was much clearer and easier... We sucked it up and traded a nearly-new Cougar for the PT Crusader and gave up 5' of length and 2,000 lbs. in the process. There was a moderate, but reasonable increase in price, but the Crusader is the perfect match for my TV. We can all pile in, it drives great, and I sleep well at night. We learned the hard way, but benefitted in that we are happy to be back in the Forest River family, the Crusader is better constructed, and Prime Time has incredible customer service.

Next unit, easily five years out following this experience, will be a larger Prime Time 5er, then an F350 or F450 to match the towing requirements per manufacturer specs...
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:59 PM   #16
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The way I have it figured a average 3/4 ton truck only has about 1000 lbs of available payload for pin weight or tongue weight on a trailer. So there fore you would never be able to pull much of anything. Gcwr of a truck is much less than the gawr. Where do they get payload figures from? The way I see it a as a farmer we are always overloaded just with a empty gooseneck trailer.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:22 PM   #17
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Just came from a 3/4 to a 1 ton dually just prior to picking up our 36qbok. I'm glad I made the move because this thing is HEAVY and LONG. Our initial drive had us in 30-40mph crosswinds and I didn't even grip the steering wheel while cruising @ 65mph. I would go with the larger tow vehicle, for your sake, and the sake of others on the road. While these limit postings on the truck are more to cover the manufacturer it makes more sense to follow them in cases where liability could be claimed if an accident were to occur.

Stay safe and have fun. Life doesn't always have to be about pushing the limits.
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Did you get your question answered OP (Brandon327)? Does anyone remember what that question was?

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Old 04-24-2013, 06:40 PM   #19
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I do .
Should you pull a 36qbok with a 3/4 ton duramax.

Answer is NO .
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