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Old 02-09-2013, 11:39 PM   #21
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Hmmm. So what would neutralize it? Because I know sulfuric acid will remain an acid- as my grandpa use to keep some in old coke bottles.
It is not "neutralized". It is converted to electricity.

When recharged; the sulphates are driven off the lead plates back into the water to become sulfuric acid again.

The chemistry of the reaction is listed below.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:49 AM   #22
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Ok, I'm learning here. I understand what your saying herk. Is there a time frame or some thing to know- besides a test strip, when the acid is nolonger acid, or is it more in therory.
Reason why I ask is we always have "dead" batteries laying around at work and my shed, but when they leak it still stains or etches the floor or eats stuff up.
- be nice to just dump the water out if it was safe- I just don't know when or if it would be safe.
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Sorry- phone died.

I know some "dead" batts are just in low 12 volts with no amps, but I'm talking dead-dead, like not even dimming a dome light.
- I've got a couple dead-dead batts down at a tractor shed (been sitting there for months after dieing) I'm going to mess with tomarrow. Ill grab my dvom and some baking soda and see if I get any reaction from either! Kind of wondering if they ever loose all voltage if there is some moisture in there.

All this has me curious- but I don't think ill try to freeze any battery juice-dw would freek out for ssure!
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:39 AM   #24
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Something I have been thinkng about regarding battery water. What would happen if some distilled vinegar were added instead of distilled water?
Just curious and this seems like the place to ask since the subject of batteries has come up.
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As Herk explained the B+ electrolyte is a mixture of 64% H2O and 36% H2SO4 (sulfuric acid). That's what it needs to charge and discharge. The H2O breaks down as it discharges and recombines as it is charged. When gassing occurs in the recharging process some H and O are lost out the vent holes and should be replaced. My old professor used to tell the story about when water is added he wanted to know how much in ounces. He maintained that about 1-OZ of water added per 1,000 miles of charging.discharging. I don't believe there was much scientific evidence to back up his story but you get the idea. There are many variables to also consider. How fast is the charging? How old is the B+? What is the quality? What type of B+ is it, etc,etc?? A lot of water loss over a short period of time either shorted cell or over-charging. I think this B+ oil falls into the category of the fuel line magnets used to align the hydrogen molecules to improve mileage. DON'T WASTE YOUR $$$$$ If it was that good Detroit would already be using it. The only thing you ever add to a conventional wet cell is good old distilled water.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:01 AM   #26
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Ok, I'm learning here. I understand what your saying herk. Is there a time frame or some thing to know- besides a test strip, when the acid is nolonger acid, or is it more in therory.
Reason why I ask is we always have "dead" batteries laying around at work and my shed, but when they leak it still stains or etches the floor or eats stuff up.
- be nice to just dump the water out if it was safe- I just don't know when or if it would be safe.
Batteries "die" for many reasons. Cracked plates are the number one cause of car battery failures because the lead plates are so thin.

Those batteries are no good but the electrolyte is still strong "acid." EACH CELL must be checked because ONE bad cell will ruin a battery; yet the other 5 cells are still "good."

Use a hydrometer to determine if the acid is still acid. A Specific Gravity reading of 1.000 is water; anything higher has some acid.

A fully charged electrolyte has enough sulfuric acid to read 1.277 a totally discharged one is "near" 1.000

This is the only way to tell if the electrolyte is completely discharged.
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On a side note, if you encounter a battery with frozen electrolyte, do NOT attempt to jump it or hook a charger to it. Scary and dangerous things can happen. It can explode.
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So the acid turning to water is more in theory or a scientific happening or event. I'm guessing that you and I will never encounter such an event?

And I'm pretty sure I will never actually see a froze batt. In my life time!
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If you do see a frozen battery it will be a chilling experience.
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So the acid turning to water is more in theory or a scientific happening or event. I'm guessing that you and I will never encounter such an event?

And I'm pretty sure I will never actually see a froze batt. In my life time!
Theory? Happening? Event?
I am confused.

That is how the battery works. Science or Magic; your choice.

This is what happens when you try to charge a frozen battery.
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