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Old 08-31-2016, 07:41 PM   #31
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This all happened in 2012 and I've since upgraded tires twice and wheels once. Is there any value in filing with the NHTSA now?
Yes! It will force FR to correct a similar mistake in that model line. Others with the same misapplication will be informed via recall notifications from FR of the error.
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:47 PM   #32
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Yes! It will force FR to correct a similar mistake in that model line. Others with the same misapplication will be informed via recall notifications from FR of the error.


Link and process?
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:27 PM   #33
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Link and process?
Most recalls of this nature are handled by the vehicle manufacturer.

Send them a copy of the picture of the trailer’s certification label. They should know the brand and size tires that were on the unit at first sale. They are supposed to keep that record for five years from date of sale. So just remind them of the brand and load capacity.

You should also remind them that you will provide copies of your email/letter to NHTSA.

FR will inform NHTSA of the situation and request a recall be started and list the remedy. If NHTSA approves their remedy the recall will become official.
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Old 09-01-2016, 09:54 AM   #34
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Link and process?
I have written a number of posts with the required links at NHTSA as well as some examples of both good and some not so good filings.
"Why aren't there more recalls of bad RV tires?"I have a 3 part post titled "ow to File a Complaint with NHTSA"
Part 1, has links to the NHTSA web site and info on what is needed to complete the forms

Pate 2 covers how to write a meaningful complaint

Part 3 has examples of good and poor complaints


I also cover

When to file a complaint with NHTSA


Do not expect NHTSA to replace your tires or fix the RV. That is the responsibility of the RV company. This is not a quick process but it is the only way to get the real attention of RV companies. I would include a statement that simply providing a new sticker is NOT an acceptable "fix" as far as you are concerned. I would point out the reduction in CCC for your RV.

FR and RVIA of course want to avoid making any real improvements in the quality of either their product or their work as that might cost them some money. They want to do a "recall" at as low a cost as possible so they will propose mailing out new stickers as a "solution".

A new sticker will not give you the CCC you paid for or that was advertised.

FR has an extensive history of making this type of error. The fact that they continue to do so after a number of "recalls: shows that IMO they have not learned their lesson. I believe the reason for this continued problem is that the cost of building a poor quality product hasn't gotten the attention of FR so why should they spend any money or make a real effort to fix the systemic problem they appear to have.
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Old 09-01-2016, 10:07 AM   #35
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Yes! It will force FR to correct a similar mistake in that model line. Others with the same misapplication will be informed via recall notifications from FR of the error.
Air I disagree that simply replacing the sticker will "force FR" to make any real improvement in their corporate mindset. FR keeps amking the same mistake over and over again. IMO this is because it is less expensive to have to mail out a few stickers than to actually have someone pay attention to the Federal Regulations involved and to ensure that the product coming off the assembly line actually functions as advertised.

All to often we see that the original owner has to spend time and money correcting the numerous errors and results of sloppy slipshod work done in the assembly plant.

I have to wonder ifhen you received a new aircraft were you expecting it to be airworthy when received or did you have to spend months and hundreds of man-hours fixing screw ups made by Grumman on their assembly line?
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Old 09-01-2016, 10:27 AM   #36
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Have had on average 2 blowouts a year for past 8 years on ST tires on a variety of trailers.

I switched to LT tires this year and this was my first summer without a blowout.

ST tire advocates can keep their ST tires. I'll stick with my LT tires and keep watching for those elusive to find LT tire blew threads on the forum.


Yup. Once you see the "LT light", you never go back. The ST advocates continue to believe failures are due to neglect and abuse... and not crappy tires.... even though everyone that has a blowout says they took care of them.

I believe there are two types of ST owners: those who have had blowouts (along with costly camper damage)... and those who will.

Me and my LT's truck on down the highway at 70 mph... without TPMS. Not a care in the world!


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Old 09-01-2016, 10:32 AM   #37
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Yup. Once you see the "LT light", you never go back. The ST advocates continue to believe failures are due to neglect and abuse... and not crappy tires.... even though everyone that has a blowout says they took care of them.

I believe there are two types of ST owners: those who have had blowouts (along with costly camper damage)... and those who will.

Me and my LT's truck on down the highway at 70 mph... without TPMS. Not a care in the world!


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Old 09-01-2016, 11:27 AM   #38
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Air I disagree that simply replacing the sticker will "force FR" to make any real improvement in their corporate mindset. FR keeps amking the same mistake over and over again. IMO this is because it is less expensive to have to mail out a few stickers than to actually have someone pay attention to the Federal Regulations involved and to ensure that the product coming off the assembly line actually functions as advertised.

All to often we see that the original owner has to spend time and money correcting the numerous errors and results of sloppy slipshod work done in the assembly plant.

I have to wonder if when you received a new aircraft were you expecting it to be airworthy when received or did you have to spend months and hundreds of man-hours fixing screw ups made by Grumman on their assembly line? It was airworthy when it arrived because thet's how it got to you. During acceptance inspection erros found were fixed by the inspection crew. Safety of flight items were reported back to the manufacture much like recall information is reported to NHTSA or the manufacturer.
I made special effort to avoid wording such as improvement as remedy is more descriptive.
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Old 09-01-2016, 11:51 AM   #39
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FR is not the only RV trailer manufacturer that has problems getting the correct information on their trailer’s certification labels.

I watch the recalls and how they are handled. And Tireman9 probably does to, because he mentioned the most common remedy for incorrect GAWR values on the certification label is to deduct what is needed from the cargo label to make it right. Then all they have to do is issue new certification & cargo labels.

Here is a NHTSA quote I often post about cargo. It’s from a NHTSA PDF.

“The FMVSS have requirements for the manufacturer to use proper tires and rims for the gross axle weight rating (GAWR). The manufacturer may determine the GVWR by adding cargo capacity (if any) to the curb weight of the vehicle as manufactured. The wise consumer, before purchase, will determine if the vehicle has sufficient cargo capacity to carry the weight of water, additional equipment (such as televisions, and microwave ovens), and luggage. The manufacturer’s certification label must show the GVWR. The GVWR must not be exceeded by overloading the vehicle. There is little the government can do to assist a consumer who has purchased a vehicle that has insufficient cargo capacity for its intended use.”
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:39 PM   #40
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I really do not think you can just say that even though you just did, I know of many members that will swear that there Maxxis 8008 ST is probably the best ST tire on the Market
I know for a fact that Youroo has ran his old Maxxis for 5 years without even a flat, he or lyrics bought new ones be caused they aged out
Just love you guys that think the only good tire is an LT. That's pretty closed minded. If you like your LT that is great and I'm glad you have them me I will stay with ST, and Maxxis.
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