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Old 09-11-2013, 01:04 AM   #1
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Hello again. A little problem with the 2011 palomino 295kbh. My system monitor (tanks full lights) say all full when I test. Any suggestions on a starting place? I have had it out once this is the worst problem I found. I read the book, but I didn't see anything about this. Any help appreciated. Actually I lied. The evap blower wheel exploded when I turned it on the first time. I found the reason, sealant around the evap lines coming loose. Entry point for the dobbers. . Dirt dobbers. I pittle with a/c stuff. I knocked it out pretty easily. Thank you.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:34 AM   #2
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I assume your talking about the grey and black holding tanks. There's probably buildup inside the tanks that's on the sensor and causing it to rear wrong. In the black tank traditional house hold toilet paper can cause this as well as dried solid waste. The grey is probably soap scum. Bottom line, you need to clean your tanks. Depending on how bad the buildup is this could be as simple as filling your tanks with water and traditional RV chemical. (There is something that is commonly used by the RV crowd to deal with soap, but it's too early in the morn, I can't think of what it's called.) This could get more involved and require using a wand to spray out the inside of the tank and/or using ice to pour down your toilet and driving around a bid to loosen stuck on matter.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:28 AM   #3
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Search geo-method for help with tank cleaning.
Sensors are basic guides at best do not rely on them for accuracy.
After some time with your camper you'll learn to just know when tanks are at capacity.
Horst probes may also be something to look into.


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Old 09-11-2013, 08:49 AM   #4
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If you have easy access to your tanks, I suggest that you just replace those silly in-tank sensors with capacitive sensors: https://tankedge.com or this: http://www.rvgauge.com. NUWA is/was using the second of these and I was very impressed. The first is available from Camping World. You can even use the existing wiring. There was another thread on the topic yesterday (look for "SeeLevel").
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:05 AM   #5
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I replaced my OEM probes with Horst probes that work with your original display.

Horst tank Probe Installation

After about a year, I had a problem with the replacement gray tank design as long hair and soap will stick on the spiral design and eventually cause problems.

I replaced them with Horst Black tank design and now all tanks work flawlessly,

Troubleshooting the MicroMonitor
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I have had problem with the OE sensors since day 1. Have flushed the tank with a wand and then filled the black tank 2 gal at a time. I found that even when clean the OE sensors did not read correctly as they would show 0 when 1/4 full then jump to 1/2 when about 3/8 then 100% full when actually 3/4.
I can see down the toilet and simply use a flashlight.

Why the RV industry uses the junk OE sensors is beyond me. Clearly the low cost (to them) option is what they went with rather than a system that actually was reliable.

Wonder what would happen if an RV mfg started to use quality components and featured the benefits in advertising? I know black tank sensors are not as exciting as mirrors in the ceiling but I don't think ti would take too long for word of mouth to spread that RV mfg "A" was building a better product rather than the cheapest possible.

PS Thanks for the links to sensors that actually work.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:01 PM   #7
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Lol. Funny stuff. I appreciate any or all input. I am a REAL NEWBIE!! I don't consider myself stupid, but I just needed a starting place. The board/panel is for all the tanks. Here is a pic of what it looks like. Thank you. The only thing I can think of is maybe the battery is weak, cause it's old....runs the slides and I have kept it plugged up. I dunno

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One thing I forgot to say... All say full. Bats, LPG and all tanks
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:09 PM   #9
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Battery will always say full when plugged into shore power.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:31 PM   #10
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If all tanks say full all the time you have a short to ground in the display panel.


DISPLAY INDICATES F ALL THE TIME.
TEST:
(1) DISCONNECT ORANGE WIRE. IF DISPLAY IS E, PROBLEM
IS IN WIRING OR SENDING UNIT.
DIAGNOSIS:
(1) IF PROBLEM IS IN WIRING OR SENDING UNIT AS
INDIACATED ABOVE, CHECK FOR OPEN CONNECTION OR
BAD SENDING UNIT.
(2) IF DISPLAY STILL INDIACATES F REPLACE PRINTED
CIRCUIT BOARD.
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