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Old 05-07-2013, 09:45 PM   #1
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Why no safety chains on our 5th wheels ?

Why are there no safety chains on our 5th wheels ? I hauled a gooseneck dump trailer for 20 years and always felt better knowing I had safety chains.

Would there be a problem if I put safety chains on my Palomino 295RL ?

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:52 PM   #2
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Are there safety chains on Big Rigs? Not required for kingpin hitches. Only ball type hitches.

That was one of the nice things about converting our car trailer back in the 90s from gooseneck to a fifth wheel. Got rid of the safety chains.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:50 PM   #3
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The 5th wheel is considered a positive locking device so the chains are not required.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #4
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I've seen semi trucks flip over and self destruct. In some of those wrecks, the 5th wheel is still attached to the king pin.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:25 AM   #5
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There is however a safety brake cable that is hooked up to the TV. Hopefully, that will apply the fiver brakes if by some chance it gets away from you.
If the hitch pin comes out of the TV hitch, the trailer will drop on your bed and then go where? What would you want the chains to do and where would you connect them?
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:06 PM   #6
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I use my safety brake cable and it is hooked up to the u shaped pins in the floor of my bed that is bolted to the frame of my truck.

I have a B & W fifth wheel hitch that also converts to a gooseneck. The safety chains snap onto the two u shaped pins from the floor.

I know that if the gooseneck hitch failed, the trailer would hopefully brake itself with the brake cable but the trailer would stay attached to my truck via the safety chains and not hurt or kill anybody else.

That is what I was wandering with the fifth wheel kingpin hitch. If the hitch or kingpin ever broke, it would seperate from my truck, the brake cable would apply the brakes to the trailer, but it would not be attached in any way to my truck.

I am just thinking about safety while towing.

Would it hurt anything if I put a set of safety cables on the kingpin hitch ? I know it would do some serious damage to the bed of my truck, but just trying to think of safety.

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Old 05-08-2013, 03:30 PM   #7
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Would it hurt anything if I put a set of safety cables on the kingpin hitch ? I know it would do some serious damage to the bed of my truck, but just trying to think of safety.

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I think you would bang up the bed of the truck pretty bad with chains.

My biggest concern would be their length and them interfering with the emergency brakes breakaway cable and the power/umbilical cord. Would they get pulled unintentionally by this extra cable?
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I'm not sure how well this would do for an on-road failure, but Blue Ox makes a system to protect the truck bed from an uncaptured kingpin:

www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=bxr4506&rh=n%3A15684181%2Ck%3Abxr4506
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I think you would bang up the bed of the truck pretty bad with chains.

My biggest concern would be their length and them interfering with the emergency brakes breakaway cable and the power/umbilical cord. Would they get pulled unintentionally by this extra cable?
I can tell you from experience...you DO NOT want something to interfere with the brake breakaway cable. One time (fortunately in town and going around a corner at about 10 mph) something in the bed of my pickup tangled with that and jerked the pin out.

I didn't move after that...and it took me a while to figure out what happened. I was making a slow, gentle right-hand turn when it got in a bind. Not a pleasant experience (lots of gawkers at a convenience store).

But, it was a great lesson.
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I can tell you from experience...you DO NOT want something to interfere with the brake breakaway cable. One time (fortunately in town and going around a corner at about 10 mph) something in the bed of my pickup tangled with that and jerked the pin out.

I didn't move after that...and it took me a while to figure out what happened. I was making a slow, gentle right-hand turn when it got in a bind. Not a pleasant experience (lots of gawkers at a convenience store).

But, it was a great lesson.
Ha ha ha I had the same experience. I was doing a slow backing maneuver and the breakaway cable caught on a piece of firewood I had in the bed of the truck. Wow, the fifth wheel came to an instant stop and scared the heck out of me. It took me bit to figure out what happened too.
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