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Old 11-21-2013, 04:52 PM   #51
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Original crew will probably be filing for Unemployment next week or taking a remedial map reading course for the next few weeks.
And doing all that while talking to the FAA.
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:57 PM   #52
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Last night there was a short news report that said todays pilots rely on the auto pilot/computer more than they should.

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Commercial airline pilots have become so dependent on automation that poor manual flying skills and failure to master the latest changes in cockpit technology pose the greatest hazards to passengers, an international panel of air-safety experts warns.
A soon-to-be-released study commissioned by the Federal Aviation Administration determined, among other things, that "pilots sometimes rely too much on automated systems and may be reluctant to intervene" or switch them off in unusual or risky circumstances, according to a draft reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
Pilots Rely Too Much on Automation, Panel Says - WSJ.com
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:04 PM   #53
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:15 PM   #54
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Last night there was a short news report that said todays pilots rely on the auto pilot/computer more than they should.



Pilots Rely Too Much on Automation, Panel Says - WSJ.com
I'm not a pilot and don't pretend to be so you certified pilots please be easy on me, but I have in my 20 plus years as a FAA Airworthiness Inspector performed many Flight Deck En-Route inspections for the purpose of evaluating an air carriers maintenance program. The inspections were conducted in aircraft ranging from the DC-9 (MD-80) up thru the Boeing 767.

And I can say that a lot of that article is true from my point of view.

Not taking anything from today's flight crews, but these modern aircraft are automated that the flight crew can be lulled into just be radio operators and instrument watchers - they certainly earn their money flying in lousy weather.

Today's aircraft are so reliable that it has been said that many pilots of large transport aircraft will probably never encounter an inflight emergency requiring an engine shutdown in their flying career.

Remember - it wasn't that long ago that 4 engine aircraft were the only ones that were allowed to fly long distances over water - now 2 engine aircraft do it every day.
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:25 PM   #55
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- in fact the only civil aircraft I recall as having any assisted take off certified equipment is the old Swearingen Metro
I don't remember what the plane was but in the late 1960's to very early '70's Ralston Purina had a twin piston engine corporate plane, probably 6 to 8 passengers, two pilots and it was certified for jato. The story goes that the chief pilot and one other took the plane out for jato training and to be certified. They fired up the engines, hit the bottle trigger and launched. Rumored report of the chief pilot to the CEO was to the effect that if we need to use them we will leave the plane and drive home.
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Old 11-21-2013, 06:29 PM   #56
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I don't remember what the plane was but in the late 1960's to very early '70's Ralston Purina had a twin piston engine corporate plane, probably 6 to 8 passengers, two pilots and it was certified for jato. The story goes that the chief pilot and one other took the plane out for jato training and to be certified. They fired up the engines, hit the bottle trigger and launched. Rumored report of the chief pilot to the CEO was to the effect that if we need to use them we will leave the plane and drive home.
That's about the time frame for the Swearingen aka the San Antonio Sewer Pipe.

I'll have to do some research on it.
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Wired posted the conversation between ATC and "Giant 4241"
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/11...wrong-airport/
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B47, I remember it as low wing, not radial and I was thinking Commander but Bamboo Bomber keeps popping into my head. I think that was what my Dad told me was the pilots name for Skyking's plane.
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JATO is also called RATO (Rocker Assisted Take Off) and that video explains why.
Actually they are not the same. Rato is rocket assisted and jato is jet assisted. C-130's have rato and I believe the B-36 had jato (may be others) on the outboards.
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Actually they are not the same. Rato is rocket assisted and jato is jet assisted. C-130's have rato and I believe the B-36 had jato (may be others) on the outboards.
Well I know what the "J" in JATO means as well as what the "R" in RATO means as I explained in Herks video. I think perhaps the two names are used interchangeably although there are differences in the two.

Regarding the B-36 - it had neither JATO or RATO. It's takeoff performance was enhanced by the later addition of two J47 engines on each outer wing positions that were housed in the same nacelle used on the B-47 for its numbers 2&3 and 4&5 engines.
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