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Old 07-06-2013, 09:52 AM   #1
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DW and I are camped in the country's largest Ponderosa Pine Forest, located in AZ, at 7300' elev., the town we're in is Pinetop. We're about 200 miles ENE of the Yarnell Fire - the one that killed 19 firefighters.

Though we may not be Arizonans, we watched the news with our hearts weighing as heavily as those who are. My request to any who read this is that you think before you light your charcoal grills or campfires. When you're through, ensure they're OUT, no hot areas left before you turn in.

I realize neither was the cause of this fire. But, those things are the cause of many fires. Really, the people are the cause, not the fires we enjoy.
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DW and I are camped in the country's largest Ponderosa Pine Forest, located in AZ, at 7300' elev., the town we're in is Pinetop. We're about 200 miles ENE of the Yarnell Fire - the one that killed 19 firefighters.

Though we may not be Arizonans, we watched the news with our hearts weighing as heavily as those who are. My request to any who read this is that you think before you light your charcoal grills or campfires. When you're through, ensure they're OUT, no hot areas left before you turn in.

I realize neither was the cause of this fire. But, those things are the cause of many fires. Really, the people are the cause, not the fires we enjoy.
Great point arjerram! God love all those affected by that horrible fire! Especially those brave firefighters!!
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YES! I can not tell you how many people, not neccessarily RVer's, but people camping leave a hot campfire or throw their charcoal in the dry grass.

I was an Engine Supervisor on a Wildland Engine and those who died really shook me. I know there is a lot more to the story and we will soon find out when the investigation has been completed.

Some people are negligent, especially when they are used to cooler and wetter surroundings. Fire pits usually will retain heat down 12-18 inches below the ground and it can burn roots and start a fire outside of a fire ring.

Like I said, this usually does not apply to RVer's but make it a game if you have children to teach them the proper way to put out a camp fire. FYI, usually 5 gallons is not enough to dissipate all of the heat.
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YES! I can not tell you how many people, not neccessarily RVer's, but people camping leave a hot campfire or throw their charcoal in the dry grass.

I was an Engine Supervisor on a Wildland Engine and those who died really shook me. I know there is a lot more to the story and we will soon find out when the investigation has been completed.

Some people are negligent, especially when they are used to cooler and wetter surroundings. Fire pits usually will retain heat down 12-18 inches below the ground and it can burn roots and start a fire outside of a fire ring.

Like I said, this usually does not apply to RVer's but make it a game if you have children to teach them the proper way to put out a camp fire. FYI, usually 5 gallons is not enough to dissipate all of the heat.
Wow I did not know that! Great info grizzlygibbs!
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This may sound elementary to some, but when out on patrol, checking campsites it was always amazing to me to see how many fires got left. Some people are lazy, some are in a hurry, some do not know better, and some just do not care.

Better to make sure it is out by what ever method you can than to have it on your consciousness that you may have started a fire. You can even put it out with cool dirt (think of the moist, dark dirt) but it will take longer.

From SmokeyBear.com:

Allow the wood to burn completely to ash, if possible
Pour lots of water on the fire, drown ALL embers, not just the red ones
Pour until hissing sound stops
Stir the campfire ashes and embers with a shovel
Scrape the sticks and logs to remove any embers
Stir and make sure everything is wet and they are cold to the touch
If you do not have water, use dirt. Mix enough dirt or sand with the embers. Continue adding and stirring until all material is cool. Remember: do NOT bury the fire as the fire will continue to smolder and could catch roots on fire that will eventually get to the surface and start a wildfire.

Here is a great video from the USFS:

How To Start and Put Out a Campfire - YouTube
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We camped at Orchard Springs in California a few weeks ago. We were there for 4 days. One day 2 a car pulled into the RV spot next to us. They got out and decided to spend there day pass in a rv spot. They swam, fished and cooked. I brought it to the attention of the gate keeper and he acknowledged it and said unless they space is reserved, they really don't monitor people unless they are there after dark. I should also note it was also a very windy day. They left right about the time we say down to eat our dinner around 6pm. All of a sudden, we looked over and the hill was on fire. We ran over with the most water we could possibly carry and put it out. We realized that they had dumped their burned charcoal right on the ground. It is people that are irresponsible that sometimes cause fires. They even did this when the site had a fire ring and a grill. It was a scary moment.
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Prime example. Now, if the host, or gatekeeper would have done their job and at least took their license plate, those people could have been charged! Glad everyone was ok!
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We camped at Orchard Springs in California a few weeks ago. We were there for 4 days. One day 2 a car pulled into the RV spot next to us. They got out and decided to spend there day pass in a rv spot. They swam, fished and cooked. I brought it to the attention of the gate keeper and he acknowledged it and said unless they space is reserved, they really don't monitor people unless they are there after dark. I should also note it was also a very windy day. They left right about the time we say down to eat our dinner around 6pm. All of a sudden, we looked over and the hill was on fire. We ran over with the most water we could possibly carry and put it out. We realized that they had dumped their burned charcoal right on the ground. It is people that are irresponsible that sometimes cause fires. They even did this when the site had a fire ring and a grill. It was a scary moment.
That could have turned out horribly! Way to go wifeytojosh!
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Glad we were there to catch it before it got worse! And where we were camping is in the mountains with very tall pines and cedars. Yikes!!
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We camped at Orchard Springs in California a few weeks ago. We were there for 4 days. One day 2 a car pulled into the RV spot next to us. They got out and decided to spend there day pass in a rv spot. They swam, fished and cooked. I brought it to the attention of the gate keeper and he acknowledged it and said unless they space is reserved, they really don't monitor people unless they are there after dark. I should also note it was also a very windy day. They left right about the time we say down to eat our dinner around 6pm. All of a sudden, we looked over and the hill was on fire. We ran over with the most water we could possibly carry and put it out. We realized that they had dumped their burned charcoal right on the ground. It is people that are irresponsible that sometimes cause fires. They even did this when the site had a fire ring and a grill. It was a scary moment.
Wow! Unreal. Thanks to everyone for their campfire tips and to remind us of the dangers of unattended, non-dampened fires.
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