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Old 02-11-2014, 09:14 AM   #1
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I am a retire Fire Chief tat hates propane but I use mine to run the refrigerator when driving. I do shut off the refrigerator when fueling and most important, put away the cell phone. I have seen many gas pump fires started by cell phones.
Make sure your propane monitor is good. I should know how they check it at the dealers but I do not. Also, RVs have their propane tanks near ground level and leaks in lines will leak downward because propane is much heavier than air. It's not like natural gas where gas can float and fill the RV. I would run it with gas to keep your meds cool.
I find it hard to believe that you have personaly (Seen) Cell phone fires at Gas pumps! Maybe on the Net,but after a few I would not hang around a Gas station! Youroo!!
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I find it hard to believe that you have personaly (Seen) Cell phone fires at Gas pumps! Maybe on the Net,but after a few I would not hang around a Gas station! Youroo!!
Thought myth busters de bunked that myth as they couldn't get a cell phone to remotely ignite anything...
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http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

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Watch "MythBusters Cell Phone Gas Station Myth" on YouTube


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Old 02-11-2014, 09:22 AM   #3
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Thought myth busters de bunked that myth as they couldn't get a cell phone to remotely ignite anything...
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snopes.com: Cell Phone Use at Gas Pump

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I think I saw that, too. The way so many people are helpless without their cell phones, half the country would have blown up by now.
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:26 AM   #4
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Thought myth busters de bunked that myth as they couldn't get a cell phone to remotely ignite anything...

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I saw that episode. It was inline with my own understanding. Modern cell phones are solid-state. Nothing in them that can cause a spark.

Static electricity on the other hand is a real problem. It's possible that cell phone use can build a static charge in someone (I know my ipad does if I use it while it's charging) and the subsequent static discharge can cause ignition.

Of course there's an easy fix for static discharge. Just gotta ground yourself somewhere away from the pump before then returning to the pump.

To take a slight tangent (i.e. hijack) pumps here on the Ontario side don't have latches anymore, so you have to hold the trigger the entire time. I find that when I do that I rarely have any static charge since I'm not moving around.
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I saw that episode. It was inline with my own understanding. Modern cell phones are solid-state. Nothing in them that can cause a spark.

Static electricity on the other hand is a real problem. It's possible that cell phone use can build a static charge in someone (I know my ipad does if I use it while it's charging) and the subsequent static discharge can cause ignition.

Of course there's an easy fix for static discharge. Just gotta ground yourself somewhere away from the pump before then returning to the pump.

To take a slight tangent (i.e. hijack) pumps here on the Ontario side don't have latches anymore, so you have to hold the trigger the entire time. I find that when I do that I rarely have any static charge since I'm not moving around.
But the phone used was an old antiquated nokia faaaar from modern.

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I am under the impression that the cell phone + gas station = explosions & fire was debunked.
Most likely cause, static electricity created by the driver getting in and out of the car seat to retrieve the phone while fueling.
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But the phone used was an old antiquated nokia faaaar from modern.

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I may be young at heart, but I'm still old enough to consider 'old' cell phones to be like these: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/22/tech/m...us-old-phones/
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I am under the impression that the cell phone + gas station = explosions & fire was debunked.
Most likely cause, static electricity created by the driver getting in and out of the car seat to retrieve the phone while fueling.

Yup , cel phone debunked , static electricity not so much.
There's a standard oilfield policy down here that bans all plastic containers , buckets , jugs or whatever on location due to static electricity ignition. They do use large 300 gal plastic totes but they have a grounding system.
I have never personally seen ignition from a plastic container but I have seen enough training videos and you tubes.
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I may be young at heart, but I'm still old enough to consider 'old' cell phones to be like these: Before they got smart: When cellphones were hideous - CNN.com
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